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  • The Nazis produced 12,000 tons of NERVE GAS. Why did they not use it?

    The Nazis produced 12,000 tons of NERVE GAS. Why did they not use it?

    Tabun was the first nerve agent (nerve gas) known.

    It was discovered in January 1936 by the German researcher Gerhard Schrader.


    "Tabun was made on an industrial scale by Germany during World War II, based on a process developed by Gerhard Schrader. In a large production facility at Dyhernfurth an der Oder, at least 12,000 metric tons of this agent were manufactured between 1942 and 1945."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabun_(nerve_agent)

    The nerve gas Sarin was discovered in 1938 by Gerhard Schrader, Ambros, Ritter, and von der Linde.


    "In mid-1939, the formula for the Sarin was passed to the chemical warfare section of the German Army Weapons Office,... Pilot plants were built, and a high-production facility was under construction (but was not finished) by the end of World War II. Estimates for total sarin production by Nazi Germany range from 500 kg to 10 tons."

    "The nerve gases Sarin, tabun and soman were incorporated into artillery shells, but not used against Allied targets."

    "A person's clothing can release sarin for about 30 minutes after it has come in contact with sarin gas, which can lead to exposure of other people."
    [this is of interest because of the various recent false-flag sarin events in Syria]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

    Here are some quotes from "Hitlers Secret Weapons 1933-1945: the essential facts and figures for Germany's secret weapons program" by David Porter.


    "During the 1930s, German researchers investigated the potential use of organo-phosphate compounds as commercial insecticides. While many were highly effective in agriculture, a few were found to be deadly nerve agents."

    "In 1939, trials to confirm the practicality of large scale Tabun manufacture were successfully carried out at an experimental plant at Munsterlager on Luneberg Heath. In January 1940, work began on the full-scale production facility, code named Hochwerk, at Dyernfurth-am-Oder (now Brzeg Dolny in Poland). The factory complex was run by an I.G. Farbenindustrie subsidiary, Anorgana GmbH, and was completely self-contained, synthesizing all intermediates as well as Tabun itself. The facility had an underground plant for filling munitions, which were then stored at Krappitz (now Krapowice) in Upper Silesia."

    "Although 500,000 artillery shells and 100,000 bombs filled with Tabun had been stockpiled by the end of the war, none were ever used..."


    Page 166 shows a photo of thousands of Tabun-filled nerve gas artillery shells in a storage area at Krappitz.
    Last edited by lewinski; 12 Nov 19, 05:43.

  • #2
    It has been attributed to H.'s own experience of gas warfare in WWI - in how far that's accurate, is hard to tell….

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ystery-is-why/

    It wasn’t because he was less evil than Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, despite White House press secretary Sean Spicer’s tone-deaf statement Tuesday that “someone as despicable as Hitler” didn’t use chemical weapons the way Assad did.
    In his biography of the Nazi leader, the historian Ian Kershaw described how Hitler himself fell victim to a mustard gas attack near Ypres on the night of October 13-14, 1918: “He and several comrades, retreating from their dug-out during a gas attack, were partially blinded by the gas and found their way to safety only by clinging to on to each other and following a comrade who was slightly less badly afflicted.
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    • #3
      The lessons of WW1 and rules of the Geneva Convention led the command staff to decide not to engage in chemical warfare even though they were prepared to do so. Still, some of that production found it's way to the death camps where millions were exterminated in gas chambers, disguised as showers, by the Nazis. Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, the mentally ill, the crippled, the elderly, etc...
      “Breaking News,”

      “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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      • #4
        Retaliation is a bitch.
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        BoRG

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
          It has been attributed to H.'s own experience of gas warfare in WWI....
          So Hitler refused to use the 12,000 tons of NERVE GAS because he had a bad experience with gas in WW1. Then he used the poison gas hydrogen cyanide to kill Jews etc.

          SOMETHING VERY WRONG HERE.

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          • #6
            I'd settle for 'retaliation is a bitch'. The RAF had carried out training in the dropping of gas bombs pre-war. adolf and his scumbags not being sure what nasties, in that department we had hidden away, seems a better reason for him staying his hand than any fancied noble sentiment.

            The long toll of the brave
            Is not lost in darkness
            Over the fruitful earth
            And athwart the seas
            Hath passed the light of noble deeds
            Unquenchable forever.

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            • #7
              Hmm, an interesting thought problem. Would the RAF have indiscriminately dropped gas bombs on German civilians if the German Army had used nerve gas on Soviet troops?
              Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                The lessons of WW1 and rules of the Geneva Convention led the command staff to decide not to engage in chemical warfare even though they were prepared to do so. Still, some of that production found it's way to the death camps where millions were exterminated in gas chambers, disguised as showers, by the Nazis. Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, the mentally ill, the crippled, the elderly, etc...
                The gas used in the extermination camps was not nerve gas. The first gas chambers used carbon monoxide generated by internal combustion engines. Later a form of cyanide was used. This came in crystalised form and was gassified by the heat of the bodies in the chamber. More people were killed by carbon monoxide rather than cyanide. This later form was not developed for warfare but as a pesticide. More people were killed by mass shootings in killing grounds.

                Chemical warfare nearly broke out in 1942/3 when the Abwher intercepted American signals about the stocks of gas being built up in advance of Husky and a preemptive strike was being organised. The Allies became aware of such preparations and Churchill authorised the transfer of stocks of mustard gas to theatre Fortunately someone realised in time that the signals referred to gasoline
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  Hitler using nerve gas. I have been reading about World War Two on Wikipedia and have dusted off and am reading my old books too. All the atrocities against the Russians. The subhuman master race crap. Would we have nuked the Germans in 1945? I also just watched Downfall. Hitler had mental issues. He had little or no interest in Germans at the end. Quite frankly, the way things were going for Germany near the end, I'm surprized he didn't gas the Russians to slow them down.
                  "Advances in technology tend to overwhelm me."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                    The lessons of WW1 and rules of the Geneva Convention led the command staff to decide not to engage in chemical warfare even though they were prepared to do so. Still, some of that production found it's way to the death camps where millions were exterminated in gas chambers, disguised as showers, by the Nazis. Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, the mentally ill, the crippled, the elderly, etc...
                    True, but the gas used was cyanide - Zyklon B - and not any of the nerve agents - Sarin, Soman or Tabun.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                      Hmm, an interesting thought problem. Would the RAF have indiscriminately dropped gas bombs on German civilians if the German Army had used nerve gas on Soviet troops?
                      I don't think the "indiscriminately" part has much weight. It's not as if conventional bombing, and the determined effort to cause fire storms with that, was particularly discriminating.

                      The point would boil down to whether the British have reason to fear chemical retaliation on their own civilians. If they, with reason or not, think they can run that risk, then I wouldn't rule out that they begin using C weapons after the Germans have done so. And while they're at it, they'd probably drop those hundreds of thousands of anthrax cakes too, for the local cattle to eat.
                      Michele

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                      • #12
                        The United States shipped Mustard Gas bombs to Italy aboard the SS John Harvey , which was sunk in a German raid on Bari in December 1943, the gas escaped and over 600 military were sickened plus additional civilians.
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_on_Bari

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                          Hmm, an interesting thought problem. Would the RAF have indiscriminately dropped gas bombs on German civilians if the German Army had used nerve gas on Soviet troops?
                          Would the Luftwaffe have indiscriminately dropped gas bombs on English civilians if the RAF had used mustard gas on German civilians?

                          I think 12,000 tons of nerve gas would be enough to kill everyone on the planet a hundred times over, so London would be much much worse off after such an exchange.


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                          • #14
                            As this thread has moved away from actual history into what if territory this thread has been moved to alternate timelines
                            ACG Staff

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                            • #15
                              I always thought that we convinced them we'd something even nastier that we'd use in retaliation. Steaming hassanga, but they never worked that one out.
                              Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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