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  • #16
    Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
    Well the nearest functioning government is in Cuba, and being a broken state with a shattered economy and infrastructure all cargoes are valuable.
    More relevant is where and how does it gets its coal? Also what about shipyard facilities - a steam ship will need maintenance
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
      Well the nearest functioning government is in Cuba, and being a broken state with a shattered economy and infrastructure all cargoes are valuable.
      If the economy is shattered how do the customers pay for the cargoes? Piracy was/is a business and if yours is operating in an environment of broken states and economies there will be little trade to prey on in any case.
      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
        Where would this "Pirate" sell his loot and then go ashore?

        Pruitt
        Was Kingfish Long's granddaddy in operation at the time?

        actually, the ship might. Make a good rum runner mother ship for the Atlantic/Caribbean or Pacific 1920's runs


        Might be problematic for the North Dakota crossing - lots odd bends in this Souris river.....
        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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        • #19
          Originally posted by MarkV View Post

          More relevant is where and how does it gets its coal? Also what about shipyard facilities - a steam ship will need maintenance
          Part of their coal will come from ships they plunder.

          again the economy is reliant on plundered goods, so the people in the region with the facilities like ship yards and machinery shops are happy to have their business.

          the vermillion bay crew also avoids spainish ships to avoid angering the nearest naval power, and has tenuous relations including purchasing some coal and other things they’d need but be unlikely to get from plunder
          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
          A man dies and leaves his name,
          A teacher dies and teaches death.
          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MarkV View Post

            If the economy is shattered how do the customers pay for the cargoes? Piracy was/is a business and if yours is operating in an environment of broken states and economies there will be little trade to prey on in any case.
            Trade going to and from the union and central/South America is what they target.

            partially a barter economy, but again a shattered economy doesn’t mean there’s no currency or items of value, or that there's no one left who is rich.
            Last edited by General_Jacke; 27 May 19, 16:15.
            the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

            A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
            A man dies and leaves his name,
            A teacher dies and teaches death.
            Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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            • #21
              I'm confused by your whole scenario, mainly because you don't have a scenario. You posted information about the ship but didn't say anything about world affairs being different than in RL. Now you talk about the southern economy being in shambles, Spain being the main naval power and now you mention the union. You need to slow down, back up and start writing some coherent posts.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                I'm confused by your whole scenario, mainly because you don't have a scenario. You posted information about the ship but didn't say anything about world affairs being different than in RL. Now you talk about the southern economy being in shambles, Spain being the main naval power and now you mention the union. You need to slow down, back up and start writing some coherent posts.
                what about my posts is incoherent.

                no one actually asked about the scenario, they made specific criticisms, and i answered them. this is the alternate history sub forum isn't it? so why do you act surprised to find out the world affairs are different?

                is this your way of asking for the full history from the point of divergence from our timeline?
                the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                A man dies and leaves his name,
                A teacher dies and teaches death.
                Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                • #23
                  Duh yeah, it would help...

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                  • #24
                    In the 19th Century there was no infrastructure in Southwest Louisiana. Even Lake Charles got its trade goods by schooner. There was no railroad lines to the area. The closest railheads were in Brasher City (Morgan City) which connected to New Orleans. Galveston was a major port in Southeast Texas and had a rail line to Harrisburg (Houston) and was extending to the Beaumont, TX area.

                    In the Jean Lafitte era, the most valuable loot taken was Slaves. If they got trade goods, these were taken up Barataria Bay to Jean Lafitte's store house (the Arsenal). Slaves lost their value in 1865. There was also a dearth of people with disposable income to buy a Pirate's loot. Southwest Louisiana and Southeast Texas were not settled thickly and was more suitable for cattle raising. The Prairies were not fertile soil and that made up a lot of the area. The islands in the marshes did support some Sugar Cane farming. One, Avery Island, is still famous for its salt mine.

                    Pruitt
                    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                    by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                    • #25
                      “No sir, it is evidently a gigantic narwhal”

                      Well then there are some of us clandestine partisans of depths prowling in our double hulled air independent propulsion submarines

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by OttoHarkaman View Post
                        “No sir, it is evidently a gigantic narwhal”

                        Well then there are some of us clandestine partisans of depths prowling in our double hulled air independent propulsion submarines

                        nautilus_summers-small.jpg
                        Verne conveniently glosses over where and how Nemo got the funds to build the thing
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                          Part of their coal will come from ships they plunder.

                          again the economy is reliant on plundered goods, so the people in the region with the facilities like ship yards and machinery shops are happy to have their business.

                          the vermillion bay crew also avoids spainish ships to avoid angering the nearest naval power, and has tenuous relations including purchasing some coal and other things they’d need but be unlikely to get from plunder
                          Doesn't work - someone has to manufacture the goods that are plundered and there has to be trade to plunder
                          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                            Doesn't work - someone has to manufacture the goods that are plundered and there has to be trade to plunder
                            There’s still the rest of the world...
                            the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                            A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                            A man dies and leaves his name,
                            A teacher dies and teaches death.
                            Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

                              There’s still the rest of the world...
                              Interestinger &interestinger,
                              In the later 19 century, narcotics were imported by the pallet load, legally, so your boat may have a niche for compact cargo, high value, as it can defend against other smugglers..... high value insurance and bank records, etc.

                              Importing slaves would be limited, as you have a surplus of Blacks who are 'narrow skilled', and we're almost forced into sharecropping....

                              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                                Verne conveniently glosses over where and how Nemo got the funds to build the thing
                                Stolen Confederate treasure!

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