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    What if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never taken a wrong turn? He never would have brought the car to a halt opposite another of Gavrilo Princip. The Archduke wouldn’t have been shot, Austria wouldn’t have issues it’s ultimatum to Serbia, and the first world war, at least in the form as we know it, would have never taken place. Then Hitler would not have had the reason to rally the Germans around his Nazi party. So the second world war might not have taken place. Much of our technology which launched the Cold War game from Germany. So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never made a wrong turn, we might not be as technologically advanced as we are. We may have never put a man on the Moon, or invented nuclear weapons. The world could certainly be a different place.

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    Wow, that's pretty deep when you think about it.

    Just think, someone made a wrong turn today, and it could have repercussions we can only dream of!

    Perhaps we should encourage wrong turns - maybe start swapping some street signs around to see what happens?



    Hmmm...

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    • #3
      As Dr. S. says that is pretty deep!

      The only problem is that the Balkans was such a powder keg (still is for that matter) that something was bound to happen, just a matter of when.
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      • #4
        Yes, I agree - the assassination was just an excuse for it all to kick-off. Somebody would have found another excuse sooner or later if that wrong-turn hadn't happened.

        Dr. S.
        Imagine a ball of iron, the size of the sun. And once a year a tiny sparrow brushes its surface with the tip of its wing. And when that ball of iron, the size of the sun, is worn away to nothing, your punishment will barely have begun.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Doctor Sinister
          Yes, I agree - the assassination was just an excuse for it all to kick-off. Somebody would have found another excuse sooner or later if that wrong-turn hadn't happened.

          Dr. S.
          True.
          There was already a feeling of impending conflict in Europe in 1914. Ferdinand's assassination just provided the match to light the fuse.
          Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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          • #6
            I totally agree. Ferdinand's assassination was the match to the powder keg. Without it there was still the powder keg. Another match would have struck up somewhere.

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            • #7
              Re: A wrong turn...

              Originally posted by TCGreen
              What if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never taken a wrong turn? He never would have brought the car to a halt opposite another of Gavrilo Princip. The Archduke wouldn’t have been shot, Austria wouldn’t have issues it’s ultimatum to Serbia, and the first world war, at least in the form as we know it, would have never taken place. Then Hitler would not have had the reason to rally the Germans around his Nazi party. So the second world war might not have taken place. Much of our technology which launched the Cold War game from Germany. So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never made a wrong turn, we might not be as technologically advanced as we are. We may have never put a man on the Moon, or invented nuclear weapons. The world could certainly be a different place.
              I think that A/H monarchy was set on a war, and when German Reich pledged support, that was the the fire to the fuse. No matter what else happened, war was inevitable. I believe even the subject peoples of the Balkans knew this, that may have been a motivating factor in the assassination plot.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by TCGreen View Post
                What if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never taken a wrong turn? He never would have brought the car to a halt opposite another of Gavrilo Princip. The Archduke wouldn’t have been shot, Austria wouldn’t have issues it’s ultimatum to Serbia, and the first world war, at least in the form as we know it, would have never taken place. Then Hitler would not have had the reason to rally the Germans around his Nazi party. So the second world war might not have taken place. Much of our technology which launched the Cold War game from Germany. So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never made a wrong turn, we might not be as technologically advanced as we are. We may have never put a man on the Moon, or invented nuclear weapons. The world could certainly be a different place.
                What a great "What if?"! Hmm. Let's see. Franz Ferdinand doesn't die, his wife has the baby that she is carrying and the world momentarily dodges the bullet of WW I for the time being. At the same time, the Balkans remain a hotbed of nationality and religious unrest, while the Austro-Hungarian Empire continues to rot and fray at the seams, while threatening to implode. The Germans and British are still engaged in a seemingly never-ending Battleship Building contest. Russia remains ripe for revolt and France still has an axe to grind with its rival, Germany.

                I wonder where and when the next potential crises would occur? What do you all say?
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                • #9
                  The same Serbian group would have still been loose. Another assasination, a bomb detonation, whatever.

                  A more divergant' what if' from a aristocrats life preserved would have come from the previous Kaiser not dying from throat cancer. He seems to have possesed better judgement andbeen less infatuated with militarism.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
                    The same Serbian group would have still been loose. Another assasination, a bomb detonation, whatever.

                    A more divergant' what if' from a aristocrats life preserved would have come from the previous Kaiser not dying from throat cancer. He seems to have possesed better judgement andbeen less infatuated with militarism.
                    A-H was on a collision course with Serbia.... the assassination of Ferdinand was an excuse on a silver platter... (imagine today the reaction, if, say Iran, commandeers and succeeds in assassinating a US or ISraeli head of state!!) ... and yet russia, france, etc. went to war despite AH had perfectly good reasons for war.

                    war was someting all wanted then... sadly.

                    perhaps Wilhelm I still around would have but some sense - or better, a longer living Bismark...
                    "Freedom cannot exist without discipline, self-discipline, and rights cannot exist without duties. Those who do not observe their duties do not deserve their rights."--Oriana Fallaci

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                    • #11
                      Wait A Minute

                      Originally posted by TCGreen View Post
                      What if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never taken a wrong turn? He never would have brought the car to a halt opposite another of Gavrilo Princip. The Archduke wouldn’t have been shot, Austria wouldn’t have issues it’s ultimatum to Serbia, and the first world war, at least in the form as we know it, would have never taken place. Then Hitler would not have had the reason to rally the Germans around his Nazi party. So the second world war might not have taken place. Much of our technology which launched the Cold War game from Germany. So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never made a wrong turn, we might not be as technologically advanced as we are. We may have never put a man on the Moon, or invented nuclear weapons. The world could certainly be a different place.
                      We put a man on the moon?????

                      Funny, everytime I have made mention of this same exact subject in OTHER places, I get Royally Bee-itch Slapped for it.

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                      • #12
                        My thought was that if Wilhelm I were the ruler the Imperial army would neither have been so large, or been organized to execute the same aggresive policys.

                        However I also suspect that Europe was headed for severe economic problems in the 1920s, with or without a world war to aggravate it. Increased warfare was likely to be the norm as massive economic/social changes swept Europe & the globe between 1910 & 1950 or later.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TCGreen View Post
                          What if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never taken a wrong turn? He never would have brought the car to a halt opposite another of Gavrilo Princip. The Archduke wouldn’t have been shot, Austria wouldn’t have issues it’s ultimatum to Serbia, and the first world war, at least in the form as we know it, would have never taken place. Then Hitler would not have had the reason to rally the Germans around his Nazi party. So the second world war might not have taken place. Much of our technology which launched the Cold War game from Germany. So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s chauffer had never made a wrong turn, we might not be as technologically advanced as we are. We may have never put a man on the Moon, or invented nuclear weapons. The world could certainly be a different place.
                          Sorry to say this, but failure to assasinate Franz Ferdinand wouldn`t have made such an enormous diffrence. It would have certainly had a important influence on the Balkan region and Austro-Hungary, but not the world. A war was bound to happen sooner or later as gun rattling occured quite a few times before (Algiers crisis, Balkan Wars etc.). It might have delayed the war for some time but it certainly wouldnt have stopped it.

                          So in conclusion, the world would throw away the useless match and use another.
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