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  • WHATIF: The Republicans Won in the Spanish Civil War?

    Spain helps France in '40?

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    Unlikely. If Spain was too worn out to help the Germans (other than the Blue Division), it was too tired to help France, too.

    I don't see it making much difference, at least in WW2. It may have made a bigger difference in the Cold War, with Soviet listening bases right outside Gibraltar and providing a nice port for the Reds.
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    • #3
      Well, just because the Nationalist were in sad shape after the war doesn't mean the Republicans would be had they won...

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      • #4
        Imagine what would happen, for example, had there not been the Non-Intervention policy of Britain and France. This could have led to a very early end to the war, with far less destruction. Or what if the British and French, instead of supporting the Nazis and Italians, instead blockaded Morocco in order to prevent the transfer of the Army of Africa into Spain? If you look at detailed accounts of the war, the nationalist rebels were not doing too well until they got the Army of Africa over the Mediterranean.

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        • #5
          Well Britian sent George Orwell...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Emil_G View Post
            Well Britian sent George Orwell...
            There were far better, such as Ireland's Michael O' Riordan.

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            • #7
              Oh yeah? Did he write a book on it?

              Back to the topic, if the Reps won, do you think it would affect the Nazi starting the war when they did?

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              • #8
                I am not sure. The Nazis would have continued their programme of expansion to the East but they might have been more cautious seeing how the British and French (for example) had reacted to their helping the now-crushed Nationalist rebels.

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                • #9
                  Well Spain helped break the back of Napoleon as Wellington and his forces were able to get into Spain and then into France, this could happen again with the allies getting into southern Europe that way( Pyranees could be a problem of course) rather than up through Italy or even make Normandy unnecessary. The Germans of course maybe completely aware of this leading to the German attempt to occupy Spain after the fall of France in 1940 .This alternative timeline could have far reaching consequences.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Emil_G View Post
                    Well, just because the Nationalist were in sad shape after the war doesn't mean the Republicans would be had they won...
                    Apparently you have something in mind you're not sharing with us. How did this happen? In real history, they were, as you know, sufficiently on the ropes that they lost the war. How could they have won and remained strong?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                      Well Spain helped break the back of Napoleon as Wellington and his forces were able to get into Spain and then into France, this could happen again with the allies getting into southern Europe that way( Pyranees could be a problem of course) rather than up through Italy or even make Normandy unnecessary. The Germans of course maybe completely aware of this leading to the German attempt to occupy Spain after the fall of France in 1940 .This alternative timeline could have far reaching consequences.
                      Yeah I wonder if some kind of water-landing would be done to avoid the Pyranees, maybe triggering a bigger, badder 'Battle of Atlantic', that is if say Britain goes in at that point. Also, El Duce might attempt a landing on the south coast while Hitler tries to land on the North?


                      Janos - I don't know, perhaps they sink "the Dato" and the other ship, and not allow Franco to bring the African army onto the continent. The ships he used were quite rinky-dink and it was sort of a miracle they didn't get sunk.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Janos View Post
                        Apparently you have something in mind you're not sharing with us. How did this happen? In real history, they were, as you know, sufficiently on the ropes that they lost the war. How could they have won and remained strong?
                        They were only on the ropes due to non-intervention. Without that they could have easily bought weapons from France which would have arrived far quicker. They were obviously able to pay for it since they were able to pay the USSR.

                        Of course the key issue is Franco not getting his Army of Africa over. No non-intervention doesn't necessarily mean that wouldn't happen unless the British and French actively opposed such a transfer.

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                        • #13
                          There is also a question of which leftist group would control the Republic after victory.

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                          • #14
                            It is likely that HItler might have intervened in Spain just to secure his southern border of France (and to put his 'good friend' Franco into power), in which case you might have had another country that necessitates a German garrison, tying down more soldiers that could have been used elsewhere.

                            However, if Germany did invade Spain then one must ask about what would happen to Gibraltar. Might we see the Torch landings not in Africa but in Spain (also fulfilling the allies promise to open a second front)?

                            And then, if the Germans sent plenty of units down into Spain to deal with the invasion, might a D-Day in southern France have succeeded in cutting off thousands of German soldiers in Spain?

                            The war could either be quicker (tens of thousands of German soldiers surrender in Spain) or longer (a bloody campaign in Spain similiar to the one in Italy).

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                            • #15
                              Interesting thoughts, daemon. Spain instead of France as the main theatre of the Western Front....

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