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  • #16
    Originally posted by Janos View Post
    For the sake of discussion, let's say that afater France threw in with the USA in our war for independence, that the Francophone Quebeckers went in with the US and joined the revolution.

    How much of a difference would it have made? What would the impact have been -- good and bad -- for both sides?
    I think the English campaign would still be run from Halifax. They'd probably make reconquest of Quebec a priority in order to secure the flank. With the English control of the seas that's pretty much a foregone conclusion.

    Also note that it is highly unlikely for the francophone populace to actually seize control of the fort of Quebec. I think the garrison there was large. So the British still control the key points in Quebec.

    Another factor is the Iroqouis and Mohawks. Are they still allies of the British in this scenario? If so, then suppression of the rebellion in Quebec is guarenteed.

    As Purist noted the Quebecers are highly unlikely to join the revolution in the first place. That was demonstrated when an invading american army lay seige to Quebec city in the winter of 1775 to 1776 and was thoroughly and totally beaten.

    http://royalfuzileers.com/quebec.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Quebec_(1775)

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    • #17
      Thanks AdrianE -- that's a good explanation.

      What do you think about the indians? If Quebec joins the American colonies against England, what would they do? I'm sure it would depend on who offered them the best deal, but who would that be?
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      • #18
        I can see them allying with the 'US' along the lines of 'the enemy of my enemy...', but I can't see them integrating or even desiring to be part of the United States. They may have had a common interest in seeing the English gone, but I don't think they wanted to be Americans.
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        • #19
          I have to go along with the idea that the Quebecois saw themselves as too different from the Americans, especailly as to their view as a people or nation.

          Since there were plenty of Americans who for decades saw themselves as New Englanders or Virginians first and Americans second, that is not too surprising.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cyberknight View Post
            I have to go along with the idea that the Quebecois saw themselves as too different from the Americans, especailly as to their view as a people or nation.

            Since there were plenty of Americans who for decades saw themselves as New Englanders or Virginians first and Americans second, that is not too surprising.

            Some good points.

            Another factor is the Iroqouis and Mohawks. Are they still allies of the British in this scenario? If so, then suppression of the rebellion in Quebec is guarenteed.


            Iroquois (Mohawks, Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas and Senecas)

            The Mohawks are Iroquois.

            I doubt that the Tribes would have sided with the English. In almost all cases the French had better relations with them than the English. The French, to a large extent had adopted the Indian life style as hunter/trapper and not that of the English/American as farmer.

            That Halifax would be and English base is not a given. The Fortress of Louisbourg was taken by land forces in the Seven Years War. With Quebec allied with the US who can say it would not be retaken in this IF war. If it was retaken this would put a major thorn in operations from Halifax.

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            • #21


              Halifax Citadel circa 1776, just because it's kind of germain, it's a cool pic, and I pass by the "new" (1860's) version every day.

              It would have been a wild battle HP!
              Amateurs study tactics, Professionals study logistics.

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              • #22
                Roadkiller,

                Most cool, that citadel.
                I often think how much easier the world would have been to manage if Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini had been at Oxford. Lord Halifax

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