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WHAT IF?????.....Operation Barbarossa Had Succeeded?????

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  • #16
    Originally posted by ChuckW View Post
    If Germany had defeated Russia:

    A) The would have Russia's Oil fields..
    B) They would have Russia's Wheat fields...
    C) They would have Russia's man-power as conscripts to
    turn against England.
    D) They would have what ever Russian armaments were
    left that they could salvage to be of use to them.
    They might be able to send excess oil and steel to Japan,
    thus keeping the Japanese from being depleated of necessary
    stocks.
    E) A potential disaster for both England & America...

    Back in 1979 I took a history course under a elderly gent named Flannigan at Purdue University. He had done his original PhD thesis in the mid 1930s, on the economic viability of the Cezchoslovakian nation. He would have completed it the autum of 1938 but we know what happend the previous summer and in January/Febuary of 1939. Flannigan told us the nazis wasted three years of his life. For him WWII was a personal vendetta.

    Flannigan died the following year. However he was a bit misleading. One of his collegues Kline-Albrandt described to us research Flannigan & later he had done on the Cezch economy under German rule. Flannigan had been prepared to see some decline in total industrial output of the Cezch region, However found it to be far greater than he expected. Despite a increase in gross output in 1943-44 due to the implementation of a total war industrial policy under Speer the output as a function of raw materials & labor hours was actually declining. Kline-Albrandt reviewed & confirmed some of the sources Flannigan had used, then did some paralle research on German industrial output. He told us he found the same trend. Industrial output in the Reich was declining in proportion to resources going in. Kline-Albrandt told us the primary cause was not Allied bombing, but the ineffciency of the nazi administration. A decade of nazi industrial policy had replaced the mythical German manigerial effciency with a corrupt and inept socialist state with all the problems of central planning and resource alocation driven by politics. Speers 'improvements' produced some effciencys, but according to Kline-Albrandt were not enough to reverse or even significantly slow the overall trend.

    Tooze in his 'Wages of Destruction' touches in part on the same trend, although he covers other ground. In anycase Tooze points to a general overall problem in German industrial and economic capability as the nazi regime set in.

    Elswhere others have documented the details of German industrial policy; engineering students and skilled factory workers conscripted and killed or maimed while forigen laborers were conscripted to replace them then abused and starved; nazi party leaders diverting critical resources for their personal use while factory managers came up short; French, Belgian, Cezch, Polish, russian factorys sitting half or three quarters idle while their managers & skilled technicials were hanged, sent to other work, or fled.

    What all this implys is that the vast resources of Europe benifited the Germans far less than most folk suspose. And, it suggests the conquest of the remainder of European Russian and some periprial areas would do much less than susposed to increase German warmaking ability.
    Last edited by Carl Schwamberg; 09 Aug 07, 17:34.

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    • #17
      "What all this implys is that the vast resources of Europe benifited the Germans far less than most folk suspose. And, it suggests the conquest of the remainder of European Russian and some periprial areas would do much less than susposed to increase German warmaking ability."
      This is a good point. I remember reading(unfortunately I cant remember where) about Nazi policy/fantasies for the post war greater reich whereby russian population only needed to be educated to a level whereby they could read road signs so they didnt get run over by cars. This attitude does not bode well for getting the best out of its European conquests.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
        "What all this implys is that the vast resources of Europe benifited the Germans far less than most folk suspose. And, it suggests the conquest of the remainder of European Russian and some periprial areas would do much less than susposed to increase German warmaking ability."
        This is a good point. I remember reading(unfortunately I cant remember where) about Nazi policy/fantasies for the post war greater reich whereby russian population only needed to be educated to a level whereby they could read road signs so they didnt get run over by cars. This attitude does not bode well for getting the best out of its European conquests.
        My German Language Professor in college once told us that his Father, who was a grammar school teacher in Germany during the war, was expected to uproot his family and move to the farthest regions of German-occupied, Eastern Russia after 1942 and begin teaching the newly-arrived, German Pupils there, who would be arriving any minute along with their families. Fortunately for them, the "Move-Order" never arrived.
        "Profanity is but a linguistic crutch for illiterate motherbleepers"

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