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  • Britain doesn't order Mustang in 1940

    P-38 and or Corsair fills in?

  • #2
    I really don't think it makes much of a difference. The Luftwaffe was effectively broken in the fall of 1943 and the majority of the allied fighters that did it were the Spitfire, P47, Yaks and Laggs. September 1943 saw the LW lose 25% of its pilots. August 1943 wasn't much better with the Sicily and Kursk battles.

    The Mustang really starts to show up in significant numbers in 1944 and by then the air war has already been desicively won .

    Without the Mustang, the allied squadrons would have just been equiped with a different plane.

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    • #3
      What plane? All the a/c named so far were used as escorts. Even with wing tanks they didn't have the range. IIRC the 51 was the only plane that could carry wing tanks and make it to and from deep German attacks.

      HP
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        Corsair had same range, 38 even better.

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        • #5
          P 51
          Range: 1,650 mi (2,655 km) with external tanks

          P 38
          Range: 1,100 mi combat, 2,600 mi ferry (1,770 km / 3,640 km)

          F4U
          Range: 1,005 mi combat

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter...t#World_War_II

          That last thing there is called a link or reference

          While many don't but a lot of fairth in wikipe, the ranges note are about the same in other ref.

          HP
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #6
            That last thing there is called a link or reference

            No ****.


            Data
            (for P-51D)
            Origin: North American

            Type: Single-seat long-range escort fighter (also A-36 attack bomber)

            Dimensions
            Span: 37' 0.5" (11.29 metres)Length: 32' 2.5" (9.81 metres)Height: 13' 8" (4.1 metres)

            Weight: Empty 7,125 lb (3,230 kg)Loaded 11,600 lb (5,206 kg)

            Engines
            One Packard V-1650 (license-built Rolls Royce Merlin 61-series)

            Armament
            6 x 0.5 inchColt-Browning MG 53-2 machine-guns in wings
            Up to 2,000 lb of ordnance under wings

            Performance
            Maximum speed437 mph (703 km/hour)
            Initial climb (typical) 3,475 feet (1,060 metres) per minute
            Service ceiling feet41,900 feet (12,770 metres)
            Combat range 950 miles / "Operational range" 1,300 miles with drop tanks /
            Absolute range (to dry tanks) 2,080 miles



            That there's called the 'real' data. 1005 for Corsair, 950 for Stang.
            Last edited by Purple fang; 30 Mar 07, 21:27.

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            • #7
              Corsair had same
              range
              , 38 even better.

              Absolute range (to dry tanks) 2,080 miles

              F6F had longer range than F4U

              and as usual where is your link, or at least reference?

              Purple Fang says, doesn't count.

              http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/default_en.htm
              Last edited by Half Pint John; 31 Mar 07, 05:46.
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                http://www.compass.dircon.co.uk/P-51.htm

                As usual, what Fang says counts & is supported by links & source material.

                & as usual Pint doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground about what he's talking about. Range with drop tanks ain't the same thing as normal range. & He doesn't even know the difference between range & combat range. Pack it in mate, call it a day.

                http://www.geocities.com/johneckhardt/mustang.htm

                This plane was equipped with drop tanks, which increased its range to over 2200 miles



                Was in a internet lounge that wouldn't allow that particular link to be copied.
                Last edited by Purple fang; 31 Mar 07, 22:17.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Purple fang View Post
                  http://www.compass.dircon.co.uk/P-51.htm

                  As usual, what Fang says counts & is supported by links & source material.

                  & as usual Pint doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground about what he's talking about. Range with drop tanks ain't the same thing as normal range. & He doesn't even know the difference between range & combat range. Pack it in mate, call it a day.

                  http://www.geocities.com/johneckhardt/mustang.htm

                  This plane was equipped with drop tanks, which increased its range to over 2200 miles



                  Was in a internet lounge that wouldn't allow that particular link to be copied.
                  Did you say combat range or ferry range? NO, just range What's so hard to understand about your own statement?

                  Pint doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground


                  Refresh yourself witht he rules of the forum

                  HF
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • #10
                    You do the same. Case of pot calling the kettle black.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Purple fang View Post
                      You do the same. Case of pot calling the kettle black.

                      Show me were I have insulted you. I have only asked for references.

                      HP
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Purple fang View Post
                        As usual, what Fang says counts & is supported by links & source material.

                        & as usual Pint doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground about what he's talking about.
                        Originally posted by Half Pint View Post
                        Show me were I have insulted you. I have only asked for references.

                        HP
                        I suggest you two take it into the ACG Fight Club.

                        Choose your weapons, I mean leaders, and duel it out at ten paces, um, ten days.

                        Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
                        er, I mean,
                        Vote! Vote! Vote!

                        This is Armchair General forum, not Armchair pfc (and elisted rank and NCOs) forum.

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                        • #13
                          Here you go Pint...


                          got his head stuck


                          What took so long to come to that decision Welcome to the club. I think the membership is up to at least five.


                          Purple Fang says, doesn't count.




                          Now getting back to the thread, Corsair with drop tanks easily make Berlin, & was a better fighter bomber than Mustang. Especially later ones with 4 20 mm. Take more punishement than Stang as well. Question is, could they make enough for both theaters, Pacific & European.
                          Last edited by Purple fang; 03 Apr 07, 00:42.

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                          • #14
                            P51 Analogy

                            Originally posted by Purple fang View Post
                            Now getting back to the thread, Corsair with drop tanks easily make Berlin, & was a better fighter bomber than Mustang. Especially later ones with 4 20 mm. Take more punishement than Stang as well.

                            Question is, could they make enough for both theaters, Pacific & European.
                            Invest in better pilots or better planes?

                            So would it be better to have a whole bunch of less expensive, mediocre servers, with very skilled EWO (Electronic Weapons Officers) operators,

                            or else a few, very expensive, high end, servers with Point&Click, video EWOs who want to cover up, hide, their math illiteracy with a lot more, extra, bandwith (inventory) and CASE (autopilot)?

                            Originally posted by 150935 View Post
                            I know wrong forum I just felt it would getter coverage here this probaly will be shot down in flames but wouldn't it be great if we get a Armchair Generals Server on BF2 of BF 1942 just thought to put the idea out there
                            By 1975 A.D. year, Communist party government, North Vietnam surely did not win with air superiority, or control of the skies, or better AWAC Orions.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Half Pint View Post
                              What plane? All the a/c named so far were used as escorts. Even with wing tanks they didn't have the range. IIRC the 51 was the only plane that could carry wing tanks and make it to and from deep German attacks.

                              HP
                              It should be remembered that the first P-51 unit didn't enter service with the 8th USAAF until December 43, so while the non-arrival of the P-51 would possibly have meant higher USAAF bomber casualties in the first few months of 44, I doubt it would have had a major effect on the war.

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