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  • #16
    Originally posted by daemonofdecay View Post
    Anyone ever play Hearts of Iron or Hearts of Iron 2?

    Do you remember what this option was called if you wanted to select it?

    It was the Unholy Alliance!



    And if it worked, you basically became invincible.
    Was it some kind of a senario of USSR & Germany together?
    If so how did it work?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by lufttiger View Post
      Was it some kind of a senario of USSR & Germany together?
      If so how did it work?
      During the Moltov-Ribb. pact, when playing as the Russians (I believe), the Germans offer the pact. Then an event fires for the Russians that offers to accept the offer, decline it, or to propose the Unholy Alliance.

      If the Germans accept the offer, then the Russians and Germans become allies.



      And then everyone else looses.

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      • #18
        What if Liza Minelli and Steven Segal get married?

        In both cases,you just know it's going to turn ugly before they make it back to the motel.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by lufttiger View Post
          What if Germany, had conquered France and Poland. And booted England
          out of France as well, just like the war.

          But then instead of going into USSR as a conquerer but a liberator.
          No mass excutions of Jews or Russian civilians but only to over throw
          the Stalin Goverment. As we saw there were Russians who at first
          believed in the Germans and fought on their side.

          So Stalin is overthrown, new goverment and Germany and Russia become
          Allies.

          Now what happens in the rest of the world?

          Germany can now send all its Panzers and troops to the French coast
          or Africa. They now have and oil source from Russia.

          They could have been a world power from that point on??
          In real life the Germans did kick the English out of France at Dunkirk and for what happens in your version of events is that germany has to destroy Britain and Hitler to be a all kinda differnet person.
          http://g.bf3stats.com/pc/1LP76r6C/melba_101.png

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          • #20
            It would be an extremely unlikely, if indeed, fragile alliance. In the days during Hitler's rise to power, he claimed that Germany was an undefeated nation stabbed in the back by Jews and Communists. Hitler hated Soviet Russia and had nothing but contempt for Soviet civilians. He even said of some of those civilians that he conquered, "Educate them to read the road signs-nothing more." When the Nazis were forced out of Russia, they operated a "Scorched Earth" policy, trashing as much as they could as if to say, "If we can't have this, you won't either."

            Your point about there being "no mass executions of Jews or Russian civilians" is seriously flawed. During the Wannsee Conference, January 1942, Reinhard Heydrich wanted the Jews exterminated, "everywhere from Vladivostok to Belfast."

            Did Nazi Germany formally surrender to the Soviet Union at the end of the war? I know they surrendered to the allies. The Soviets kept German POWS captive until ten years after the war. I believe this alliance would never have worked.
            Last edited by Sign&Print Name; 21 Feb 07, 16:15. Reason: typo
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sign&Print Name View Post
              It would be an extremely unlikely, if indeed, fragile alliance. In the days during Hitler's rise to power, he claimed that Germany was an undefeated nation stabbed in the back by Jews and Communists. Hitler hated Soviet Russia and had nothing but contempt for Soviet civilians. He even said of some of those civilians that he conquered, "Educate them to read the road signs-nothing more." When the Nazis were forced out of Russia, they operated a "Scorched Earth" policy, trashing as much as they could as if to say, "If we can't have this, you won't either."

              Your point about there being "no mass executions of Jews or Russian civilians" is seriously flawed. During the Wannsee Conference, January 1942, Reinhard Heydrich wanted the Jews exterminated, "everywhere from Vladivostok to Belfast."

              Did Nazi Germany formally surrender to the Soviet Union at the end of the war? I know they surrendered to the allies. The Soviets kept German POWS captive until ten years after the war. I believe this alliance would never have worked.
              I think you completely and totaly missed the whole point here.
              This is a what if?? "Total Fiction"
              None of what i said is true or ment to be. And i certainly know all
              about the mass executions being true. Read more carfully please
              i want no one assuming i don't believe those atrocities never happened.
              Life is what happens to you when your busy making other plans! Lennon - www.lufttiger.com

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sign&Print Name View Post
                It would be an extremely unlikely, if indeed, fragile alliance. In the days during Hitler's rise to power, he claimed that Germany was an undefeated nation stabbed in the back by Jews and Communists. Hitler hated Soviet Russia and had nothing but contempt for Soviet civilians. He even said of some of those civilians that he conquered, "Educate them to read the road signs-nothing more." When the Nazis were forced out of Russia, they operated a "Scorched Earth" policy, trashing as much as they could as if to say, "If we can't have this, you won't either."

                Your point about there being "no mass executions of Jews or Russian civilians" is seriously flawed. During the Wannsee Conference, January 1942, Reinhard Heydrich wanted the Jews exterminated, "everywhere from Vladivostok to Belfast."

                Did Nazi Germany formally surrender to the Soviet Union at the end of the war? I know they surrendered to the allies. The Soviets kept German POWS captive until ten years after the war. I believe this alliance would never have worked.
                I thought the Russians did the scorched earth policy but I my be wrong
                http://g.bf3stats.com/pc/1LP76r6C/melba_101.png

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                • #23
                  Lets see if germany, Japan, Italy, and Russia together they would have conqured Poland, the baltic states, Denmark, Norway, Finland, possibly sweden(resources, now they have enough men), France, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, North Africa, Greece, all those south Euro countrys, Iraq, iran, india, china, southeast asia, and who knows Spain might have joined seeing all this.

                  Would there have been anyway for america or The UK to bounce back and do anything or just go for peace.
                  "All Glory is Fleeting"

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Napalm View Post
                    Lets see if germany, Japan, Italy, and Russia together they would have conqured Poland, the baltic states, Denmark, Norway, Finland, possibly sweden(resources, now they have enough men), France, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, North Africa, Greece, all those south Euro countrys, Iraq, iran, india, china, southeast asia, and who knows Spain might have joined seeing all this.

                    Would there have been anyway for america or The UK to bounce back and do anything or just go for peace.
                    Was the UK conquered or not?

                    An Axis plus Russia coalition wouyld have taken out Britain and the US would most likely lose against that combination. That's assuming the Germans and Russians actually cooperated on things like tank models and production and everyone worked out the logistics needed for that empire.

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                    • #25
                      It's one hell of a alliance, no stopping it
                      "All Glory is Fleeting"

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                      • #26
                        Well

                        You all know, of course, that the US could actually survive?
                        They might have joined Germany and Russia if they wanted to.


                        However, Hitler's extermination campaign caused more problems than solved them. Especially in the Ukraine, the Cossacks would have LOVED to fight the Red Army, but since they were 'Slavs' they were exterminated or forced to be partisans.
                        For despite the silly sayings about violence never settling anything, history IS changed on the battlefield: ask the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
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                        • #27
                          A German Russian alliance might have meant no war with the U.S. because there would be no reason to attack the U.S.

                          As for Hitler's policies toward Slavs, it's non-issue with the unholy alliance.

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