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  • What if Japan Invaded Mexico in June of 1942?

    I wrote the following article a few months back. It talks about a scenario in the summer of 1942 where the Japanese invaded Mexico and heading north to Los Angeles instead of invading Alaska.

    According to my research, there was one general ready and waiting: George Patton.

    What if Japan Invaded Mexico in June of 1942?

    Feedback is more than welcome.
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    200,000 Japanese troops??? From where??

    Japan used fewer than 7 infantry divisions to take the southeastern Pacific and had supply difficulties even supplying them. Where do you propse they even find the shipping for 200,000 ships? or the landing craft? the troops ships? or the means to fuel the warships and convoys?

    This is preposterous.

    Patton was dreaming,...or hysterical.
    Last edited by The Purist; 29 Nov 06, 23:01.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by scottmanning View Post
      It talks about a scenario in the summer of 1942 where the Japanese invaded Mexico and heading north to Los Angeles instead of invading Alaska.
      Well
      At least they would have the surprise element on their side if nothing else

      Is it me
      or are some of the recent threads on this forum showing a total lack of understanding of the role of logistics in warfare

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      • #4
        Originally posted by redcoat View Post
        Well
        At least they would have the surprise element on their side if nothing else

        Is it me
        or are some of the recent threads on this forum showing a total lack of understanding of the role of logistics in warfare
        Logistics is only the start. More like a total lack of what is even remotely possible,...period.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by redcoat View Post
          Well
          At least they would have the surprise element on their side if nothing else

          Is it me
          or are some of the recent threads on this forum showing a total lack of understanding of the role of logistics in warfare
          amateurs study tactics,professionals study logistics.

          I've read and heard this over the years but can't remember who it was originally attributed to.Anyone know?
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          • #6
            Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Originally posted by scottmanning View Post
            I wrote the following article a few months back. It talks about a scenario in the summer of 1942 where the Japanese invaded Mexico and heading north to Los Angeles instead of invading Alaska.

            According to my research, there was one general ready and waiting: George Patton.

            What if Japan Invaded Mexico in June of 1942?

            Feedback is more than welcome.
            And people call me a Nut.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Purist View Post
              Patton was dreaming,...or hysterical.
              Agreed. Patton sometimes did tend to say the darnest things. This reminds me of his comments regarding the capabilities of the Red Army on which he suggested an attack on the Red Army. You don`t need to guess twice they were far from the actual state.

              This proves that Patton was a "cowboy" general who took little regard of logistics (no offence to his fans).

              EDIT: The author is similar to Patton as he desribes Pattons premise as "realistic".
              Last edited by Tom Phoenix; 30 Nov 06, 01:31.
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              • #8
                Patton obviously had no understanding of what kind of force the Japanese could have produced in such an invasion. In the article, I put the logistics of the invasion force the Japanese had for the Alaska and it's obvious that the threat was very small (2,500 ground troops total).

                We can look back on this incident and call Patton "nuts", because we have the advantage of knowing much more than he did. Yet, I think this was a foreshadowing of the brilliance shown by Patton in the Battle of the Bulge. What do you think?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tom Phoenix View Post
                  EDIT: The author is similar to Patton as he desribes Pattons premise as "realistic".
                  It was a theoretical statement. I said, "If the Japanese were serious about invading Mexico and aimed for Orange County and Los Angeles, General Patton's theory of 200,000 ground troops would have been realistic."

                  I'm not saying the Japanese could produce such a force; I'm saying that it would take such a force to accomplish the objective Patton believed they were after.

                  Perhaps I should make this clearer. Do you understand what I'm saying if I change the sentence to read "If General Patton was correct about the Japanese intentions, then 200,000 ground troops would have been needed to accomplish the objective."
                  Last edited by scottmanning; 30 Nov 06, 08:44.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Scout32 View Post
                    I've read and heard this over the years but can't remember who it was originally attributed to.Anyone know?
                    It's in the bibliography. The story was recorded by Porter B. Williamson who served under Patton at the time.

                    Williamson, Porter B. (1979). Patton's principles. New York, NY: Simon and Schuster. pp. 122-125.
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                    • #11
                      ok, let's assume the Japanese could carry 200'000 troops - or 10'000 troops - across the pacific. why get stuck in Mexico.

                      just land in San Diego, LA or San Francisco and create havic. rape the white women, loot, pillage, etc.?
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                      • #12


                        I think La Paz is the only decent port in Baja California Sur. It's a long way from La Paz to Tijuana along the coastal plain.
                        Last edited by The Doctor; 30 Nov 06, 11:12.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Doctor View Post


                          I think La Paz is the only decent port in Baja California Sur. It's a long way from La Paz to Tijuana along the coastal plain.
                          Looking at that map, I suddenly wonder what the combination of Saki & Tequila would do for the Fighting Spirit of your average Japanese Soldier.

                          By the way, I wasn't calling Patton a "Nut", I was referring more to the guy who started this Topic, when I said "And People Call Me A Nut".

                          Respectfully of course.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Duke William View Post
                            By the way, I wasn't calling Patton a "Nut", I was referring more to the guy who started this Topic, when I said "And People Call Me A Nut".

                            Respectfully of course.
                            Funny enough, I find that less offensive... I think.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by piero1971 View Post
                              ok, let's assume the Japanese could carry 200'000 troops - or 10'000 troops - across the pacific. why get stuck in Mexico.

                              just land in San Diego, LA or San Francisco and create havic. rape the white women, loot, pillage, etc.?
                              Good question. I think Patton's assumption was that landing in Mexico would be easier due to defenses.
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