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  • Abraham Gets the Job Done

    Let's take Mr Peabody's Way Back Machine* back to the days of the Old Testament.

    First, you may want to read the Christian/Jewish version of the famous story of Abram (later Abraham), who is challenged by God to sacrifice his son http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20030903.htm. This thread assumes that the Christian/Jewish version is true (the Muslims have a significant difference).

    It is from this son, Isaac, that the Jews are descended (http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/abraham.htm). His grandson's name was Israel, a name you're familiar with, I'm sure.

    Abram's older son, Ishmael, was by his wife's made. It was from him that the Arabs are descended (http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/ishmael.htm)

    What had happened if God had NOT stopped Abram that day, and Isaac had been sacrificed? Would the Arabs have been more prominent?

    NOTE: Please let's try and keep this friendly, altho' we're discussing a religious-historical topic. Play nice, kids



    * if you know what that is, you're old.
    Last edited by Janos; 04 Mar 06, 09:17.
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    That really depends of ones religios point of view. But from my perspective, I dont think it would have changed anything.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tom Phoenix
      That really depends of ones religios point of view. But from my perspective, I dont think it would have changed anything.
      So, you don't think there's been a major impact from Judeo-Christianity over the past 3500 years or so?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Janos
        So, you don't think there's been a major impact from Judeo-Christianity over the past 3500 years or so?
        There has, but I dont see how a religious dogma has anything to do with it. Of course; im not religious so thats probably why I think so. But I seriously think that Judeo-Christianity would countinue as it did.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tom Phoenix
          There has, but I dont see how a religious dogma has anything to do with it. Of course; im not religious so thats probably why I think so. But I seriously think that Judeo-Christianity would countinue as it did.
          If it's originators grandfather gets snuffed? You think someone else would have taken over? Could be.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Janos
            If it's originators grandfather gets snuffed? You think someone else would have taken over? Could be.
            Well one has to split beetween a religious dogma and the facts. How can we know for sure who started Judeo-christianity? The bible states dogmas which can be true and/or false. For all we know, Isaac could have gotten the ideas anywhere.
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            • #7
              by the way, the word judeo-chritian is a dogmatic nonsense.

              christianity was not an evolution from judaism, but a rupture.

              Protestantism has much more to do with Judaism than christianity.
              Islam has much more to do with Judaims than Christianity and with christianity (in fact it's a exiled Jewish fanatic sect, the maccabees (sp?) in the 7th century who creted Islam to better harness their allied marauding Arab tribes into conquering back Jerusalem)

              as for Abraham, let's assume that he even existed and that the story of the Bible is true, and not a myth created in Babylon by the defeated jews to keep hope.... and If he had sacrified hiw son, well, Judaism would beeither another blood-thirsty sacrificial cult, or, if ultimately successful in surviing, it would have been outlawed early by Romans, who disliked human sacrifice.
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