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    What countries could possibly have joined the Axis and changed the course of the war? (Note: I do not want people saying crazy stuff like the US joining the Axis) For example could any countries in the Middle East have joined the Axis?

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    i think if hitler hadnet broken the allience than russia would have been a problem for the allies

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    • #3
      Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay...

      If any of these nations had joined the Axis, the Battle of the Atlantic would have been a bit more complicated, but manageable.

      If any of these Latin American nations had joined the Axis before 1941, they might have been able to provide naval facilities and air bases for the Germans.
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      • #4
        Spain, Portugal and Argentina come into mind. As for the rest, I really cant see any motivation of joining the Axis.
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        • #5
          The most important factor for answering this question has got to be geography, any country that had the industrial might and production base for war was already in the fight by the end of 1941. If Germany had gotten a better hold of Vichy Frances colonial appartus they might've been weaken Britains position in Egypt and Iraq. I'm also suprised that nobody has mentioned Turkey yet, whilst their army wasn't up to much equipment wise Turkey would have been an excellent conduit from which to strike at British Iraq or to take Iran as a stepping stone to the USSR's own oild fields.

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          • #6
            My line of thought runs to what would have happened if Eire had closed off the flow of volunteers for the British military? Whole Battalions were raised of Irish residents and volunteers from Eire.

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            • #7
              My line of thought runs to what would have happened if Eire had closed off the flow of volunteers for the British military? Whole Battalions were raised of Irish residents and volunteers from Eire
              hmm it would have made an impact, but not a very signficant one, the total number of Irish from the Republic to serve in the British Armed forces was 43,000 thousand (very charitable in relation to recent war of Independance) also numerous Irish workers migrated to work in British Factories.

              Another important tidbit was that the Irish provided the Weather Information needed to plan the date of the Normandy landings.

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              • #8
                Actually, my first thought was Turkey. It would have drawn additional British forces into the Middle East from India and the rest of the Empire, placed additional pressure on Egypt, provided an alternative route for the Germans to reach the Caucausas Mountains, and provided more opportunities for the Germans to place a significant water threat on the Black Sea.

                I'm not sure it would have changed the war, but it should would have complicated things.

                Another would be Sweden. Swedish raw materials would have been made available to support the German war effort and reduced complications for the Germans moving forces from Norway to Finland and vice versa. Would also have made things much harder for the Russians late in the war as they placed more sea-muscle in the Baltic Sea.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Janos
                  Actually, my first thought was Turkey. It would have drawn additional British forces into the Middle East from India and the rest of the Empire, placed additional pressure on Egypt, provided an alternative route for the Germans to reach the Caucausas Mountains, and provided more opportunities for the Germans to place a significant water threat on the Black Sea.
                  Mine too. And for much the same reasons.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tsar
                    Mine too. And for much the same reasons.
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                    • #11
                      Didn't Hitler fathom an alliance, or at least a separate peace with Great Britain after the fall of France? would it have been possible with some other Prime Minister than Churchill?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Boonierat
                        Didn't Hitler fathom an alliance, or at least a separate peace with Great Britain after the fall of France? would it have been possible with some other Prime Minister than Churchill?
                        Rudolf Hess certainly felt that way, and he apparently based it on some statements made before the way by a member of the Royal Family. I don't remember the details of it all -- to me Hess was just a nut case so I don't pay much attention to him. It would have taken a much weaker PM than Churchill, maybe Chamberlain.
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                        • #13
                          For that, Chamberlain would have had to survive the bombings in 1940...which he didnt.

                          As for Turkey, they would have joined the Axis if Stalingrad had fallen to German hands.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tom Phoenix
                            For that, Chamberlain would have had to survive the bombings in 1940...which he didnt.

                            As for Turkey, they would have joined the Axis if Stalingrad had fallen to German hands.
                            Well, this is "What If Land", isn't it?

                            Thanks for the info -- I was unaware that Chamberlain died in 1940.
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                            • #15
                              True Well, Chamberlain was not as week as everybody belived. But, I dont think he had the mind power neccesarry to countinue the war. I think that indeed he would have signed a peace treaty.

                              And yes, in RL he died during Luftwaffes bombing. Ironic, isnt it? He brought it upon himself in a way. Nevertheless, Churchill put up a few good words for him on his funeral (or at least he claims he did).
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