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  • #76
    Originally posted by Marmat View Post
    ... when the RN's First Sea Lord/Admiralty advised the PM that they could come by sea using unconventional tactics like high speed motor boats from Norway and the Biscay under calm weather and low visibility to successfully land up to 100,000 troops in widely scattered locations. This was largely a Military Intelligence appreciation, Naval Intelligence was decidedly skeptical; evidence indicated that the Luftwaffe was gearing up for an air assault, there were no RM amphibious assault forces or Heer in French ports.

    While Churchill disagreed with the assessment, he allowed the Admiralty's reassigned Fleet and Escort destroyers to the affected RN area commands to remain. The result was the U-Boat's happy time, and the Home Fleet was handicapped from conducting offensive operations. While there were cooler heads in the Fleet command, the Admiralty remained in this mindset until the end of 1940.
    Charles Forbes, C-in-C Home Fleet in 1940, argued that the Admiralty committed too many resources to anti-invasion duties. He believed that many of the destroyers could have remained on escort duties, or with the Home Fleet, as it would have been possible to recall them when (if?) necessary.

    I would contend that there was much merit in this view, but given the events of May & June 1940, I can also understand the reasons why the Admiralty, in Shakespeare's words, made 'assurance doubly sure.'

    Whatever the relative merits, Charles Forbes found that disagreeing with his superiors was not good for his career, as he was replaced as C-in-C Home Fleet by John Tovey in November, 1940!

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Marmat View Post
      ... when the RN's First Sea Lord/Admiralty advised the PM that they could come by sea using unconventional tactics like high speed motor boats from Norway and the Biscay under calm weather and low visibility to successfully land up to 100,000 troops in widely scattered locations. This was largely a Military Intelligence appreciation, Naval Intelligence was decidedly skeptical; evidence indicated that the Luftwaffe was gearing up for an air assault, there were no RM amphibious assault forces or Heer in French ports.

      While Churchill disagreed with the assessment, he allowed the Admiralty's reassigned Fleet and Escort destroyers to the affected RN area commands to remain. The result was the U-Boat's happy time, and the Home Fleet was handicapped from conducting offensive operations. While there were cooler heads in the Fleet command, the Admiralty remained in this mindset until the end of 1940.
      Landing troops by such unconventional means would effectively be throwing them away as you could not supply them by the same means. Its the same problem that airborne troops have. Unless you have a reinforcement by regular troops with an adequate supply link they cannot sustain high intensity action for very long. Fine if what you are doing is a raid but not an invasion.
      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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      • #78
        Hi

        Though the FAA was 'pathetic' to use another members words, compared to those other naval powers in the European hemisphere, it was supreme even in the Med where it came under sustained pressure.

        Germany wasn't some gigantic optimally charged nation, but in reality a rather economically/financially bankrupt, nepotistic and egotistical realm with divided strategies and zero ability for a sustained war on the levels to wipe the UK from the map.

        The ports in North Africa could barely provide the supplies for the DAK as it was (let alone a larger force), the transportation infrastructure was shoddy and easily interdicted. Whilst the loss of North Africa would have proofed difficult for the British, it wouldn't in actuality of provided the Axis with much either unless the strategy against Russia is negated from June'41 altogether.

        Regards

        Andy H
        "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

        "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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