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    In 1939/40 German strategists were seriously worried that Stalin planned to annex Bessarabia. (Paul Leverkuehn a senior Abwher operative reports that there was reliable intelligence to support this). This would mean that all of Germany's supply of oil (from both the Bessarabian and the Baku fields would be in Stalin's control and with it would come the opportunity to seriously squeeze Germany. The Soviet Union might well cease to be quite so friendly and cooperative at that point.

    A pre emptive seizure of the fields by Germany was considered but his would have meant delaying operations against France and even precipitated war with the Soviet Union much earlier than planned.

    Now what would happen if Stalin had indeed taken the opportunity of the distraction provided by the Battle of France to annex Bessarabia and the oil fields? Would this ultimately mean that Barbarrossa had to be brought forward? Would it even mean that the fighting in France had to be brought to a conclusion more quickly (which could have meant offering France much better terms than she got and the abandonment of any thought oif Sealion)?
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    Maybe I'm missing something ...

    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    In 1939/40 German strategists were seriously worried that Stalin planned to annex Bessarabia. (Paul Leverkuehn a senior Abwher operative reports that there was reliable intelligence to support this). This would mean that all of Germany's supply of oil (from both the Bessarabian and the Baku fields would be in Stalin's control and with it would come the opportunity to seriously squeeze Germany. The Soviet Union might well cease to be quite so friendly and cooperative at that point.

    A pre emptive seizure of the fields by Germany was considered but his would have meant delaying operations against France and even precipitated war with the Soviet Union much earlier than planned.

    Now what would happen if Stalin had indeed taken the opportunity of the distraction provided by the Battle of France to annex Bessarabia and the oil fields? Would this ultimately mean that Barbarrossa had to be brought forward? Would it even mean that the fighting in France had to be brought to a conclusion more quickly (which could have meant offering France much better terms than she got and the abandonment of any thought oif Sealion)?
    ... but the Soviets did seize Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, June 28-July 4, 1940. Hitler would later come to regret the Soviets in the area but the seizure had been negotiated in the secret protocols of the Nazi-Soviet Pact, Germany had no specific interest in the area, it was acknowledged as being within the Soviet sphere and was absorbed as Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic. No?
    "I am Groot"
    - Groot

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Marmat View Post
      ... but the Soviets did seize Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, June 28-July 4, 1940. Hitler would later come to regret the Soviets in the area but the seizure had been negotiated in the secret protocols of the Nazi-Soviet Pact, Germany had no specific interest in the area, it was acknowledged as being within the Soviet sphere and was absorbed as Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic. No?
      Not all of Besserabia - the oilfields stayed in Rumanian control
      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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      • #4
        If you're thinking of Ploesti and its oilfields, that's not Bessarabia. That ended (to the West) with the Prut. Ploesti is much closer to the capital. Or what other oil center are you thinking about?
        Michele

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        • #5
          The oilfields ...

          Originally posted by MarkV View Post
          Not all of Besserabia - the oilfields stayed in Rumanian control
          ... stayed under Romanian control (and Germany's increasing influence) because most of them were to the south-west in Walachia, with a smaller coal/oil production area in Bacău Județ i.e. County in Western Moldova. The Soviets were entitled to Bessarabia, their later claim to Bukovina was a sore point, in large part because of the area's ethnic make-up; the parties agreed to Northern Bukovina. Bessarabian oil isn't petroleum, it's pressed from oil seed i.e. it's a foodstuff, and still figured in the Nazi-Soviet economic agreements and/or in this case, disagreements.


          On 27 Aug., 1940 Hitler directed the following: "The present forces in Poland are to be strengthened immediately. For this: a) About 10 divisions are to be transferred to the East...and b) About 2 Armoured Divisions from the Homeland are to be transferred to the extreme south-east are of Poland as soon as the material situation permits. The reinforcement of the new forces is in order to guarantee the protection of the Roumanian oilfields in the event of a sudden demand for intervention." Stalin would base troops and bombers in his new former Romanian possessions to threaten Hitler's Romanian oil, and so it goes ...
          "I am Groot"
          - Groot

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          • #6
            Exactly so, and for the SU to take the real oil-producing areas of Romania, a war would have been needed. Romania could survive without Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina, and Southern Dobrudja, even though were grievous wounds; it wouldn't be Romania any more, and could not survive, if it had to yield territory all the way to Ploesti. So I'd say they would fight, and they'd ask for all the help they could get... depending on when this happens, it's worth remembering that France was their ally and that Britain's famous guarantee to Poland wasn't the only one the British offered...
            Michele

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MarkV View Post
              This would mean that all of Germany's supply of oil (from both the Bessarabian and the Baku fields would be in Stalin's control and with it would come the opportunity to seriously squeeze Germany.
              That's not correct: Germany was much less dependant on Romanian oil than is still been claimed .

              Example :

              1940 : Synthetic : 3.4 million ton, domestic crude : 1.5 million, imports : 2.1 million of which 1.3 million from Romania.

              Total : 7 million of which 20 % from Romania .

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              • #8
                HA!

                I just made a post about this in an much older topic.

                And let me jump to the end

                In the real world, Hitler met with the Finnish leader Mannerheim in 1942 and that meeting was recorded, the transcript of it has been out for many decades and on the internet for a very long time

                Hitler talks about this specifically:



                I always feared - that Russia suddenly would attack Romania in the late fall - and occupy the petroleum wells, and we would have not been ready in the late fall of 1940. If Russia indeed had taken Romanian petroleum wells, than Germany would have been lost. It would have required - just 60 Russian divisions to handle that matter.

                In Romania we had of course - at that time - no major units. The Romanian government had turned to us only recently - and what we did have there was laughable. They only had to occupy the petroleum wells. Of course, with our weapons I could not start a, war in September or October. That was out of the question. Naturally, the transfer to the east wasn't that far advanced yet. Of course, the units first had to reconsolidate in the west. First the armaments had to be taken care of because we too had - yes, we also had losses in our campaign in the west. It would have been impossible to attack - before the spring of 19, 41. And if the Russians at that time - in the fall of 1940 - had occupied Romania - taken the petroleum wells, then we would have been, helpless in 1941.

                Another Voice In Background: Without petroleum...

                Hitler: (Interrupting) We had huge German production: however, the demands of the air force, our Panzer divisions - they are really huge. It is level of consumption that surpasses the imagination. And without the addition of four to five million tons of Romanian petroleum, we could not have fought the war - and would have had to let it be - and that was my big worry.
                Last edited by TheWorld; 19 Oct 16, 17:48.

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