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  • #46
    Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
    I wonder if the authorities got alarmed by the numbers of 'souvenirs' brought back from the trenches?
    Probably. Something similar happened in Australia. We began cracking down in the 20s & 30s partly as a result of guns that had come back from the war ending up being used by criminals in cities.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
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      Originally Posted by Half Pint John
      Without the 2nd history would have gone a long much as it did.

      The 2nd only protects the right to bear arms. We didn't have a law that prohibited guns. Why shouldn't Americans have owned guns in rural America and the westward expansion?




      Indeed. There was no 2d Admendment previous to the ratification of the Constitution, and there certainly was not such a thing under the Crowns rule, yet citizen militias existed in the Colonies almost from the day they were founded. Are all those states militas going to instantly vanish because a government document written in Philidelphia has been signed? Would all those frontier militia companies cease drilling and stocking supplies to counter raids, or the state governors dismiss their adjutant generals & staff because there is not a clarifying admendment in the new national government constitution?
      Yup!

      There were colonial militias long before the War of Independence and the following Constitution. Events a decade or two prior, roughly 1754 - 1763 had some influence on attitudes and mindsets in the 13 colonies leading up to the WoI and it's consequences.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
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        Originally Posted by Half Pint John
        Without the 2nd history would have gone a long much as it did.

        The 2nd only protects the right to bear arms. We didn't have a law that prohibited guns. Why shouldn't Americans have owned guns in rural America and the westward expansion?




        Indeed. There was no 2d Admendment previous to the ratification of the Constitution, and there certainly was not such a thing under the Crowns rule, yet citizen militias existed in the Colonies almost from the day they were founded. Are all those states militas going to instantly vanish because a government document written in Philidelphia has been signed? Would all those frontier militia companies cease drilling and stocking supplies to counter raids, or the state governors dismiss their adjutant generals & staff because there is not a clarifying admendment in the new national government constitution?
        Bold is close to exactly what I said. Did you misunderstand my post some how?
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          The history of the USA would be forever changed.

          That would eliminate not just private ownership of firearms but also the system of irregular state militia whose legacy is still felt today in the US military.

          The war of 1812 and the early Indian wars saw heavy use of local militias comprised of private citizens with personally-owned weapons. All later conflicts until Vietnam saw heavy use of reservists who are the natural outgrowth of the militia system.

          It is doubtful the USA would have made any meaningful contribution to WW1; certainly not in 1917-18, without the militia system.

          Expansion would have been glacially slow, or else the USA would have had to embrace a large regular Army, something it did not do until the Cold War.

          The culture would be vastly different. The USA has no concept of nobility or privilege, a concept that at its roots is based upon the fact that every citizen may be as heavily armed as anyone else.

          South Africa has never had any thing like the 2nd. We have had privat gun ownership and at one point our entire military was made up by reserve force artillery formations and citzen militia with privat fire arms. Even to do gun ownership is legal with 3 million legally held fire arms in privat hand far more than the arround 500 thousand fire arms in goverment hands.
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          • #50
            I have to bring up a point about the War of 1812. Many drafted Militia from the Frontiers (Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee) showed up without a firearm at all. This caused a problem for the Defense of New Orleans. The Militias called up first were able to draw Firearms, but they neglected to bring the gun back! The Arsenals were empty by the time took his Tennessee Militia to Florida. The Kentucky Militia still sent thousands of unarmed and nearly naked Militia to Jackson at New Orleans. The citizens of New Orleans cut up Blankets to fashion coats to give to them and they were able to find some foot gear. Most of the men were not able to find weapons. These men were stationed on the West Bank of the River and it was hoped they would be safe there. This proved to be wishful thinking! The British did land a force there and the Militia and Artillery there was routed. The British had already lost the Battle on the East Shore by this time.

            One would have hoped that these unarmed men would have been given firearms from the Battlefield, but I rather doubt the guys that picked these weapons up would have given any up.

            Not every Kentuckian had a Rifle, a pack of playing cards and a jug of moonshine.

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