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    You are in charge of American interests in Libya, including civilian and military. What decisions would you do differently? I broke it into different times, so to make it easier to decide on the right actions.
    • February 2011: Diplomacy. Do you try to reason with Gaddafi or try to whip support of revolution?
    • March-August 2011: Foreign intervention, what would you change in the US deployment to Libya? Types of ships, aircraft, weapons? Targets? Covert ground forces? What tactics would you change that you would've liked to see that you didn't see happen? Would you change how weapons and munitions were distributed to rebels? If so, how?
    • September 2011-October 2011: With Gaddafi loyalists scattered and defeat inevitable, what would you change? Diplomacy? Direct action? How do you effect endgame and influence a transition government? Or do you?
    • November 2011-September 2012: What do you do to build a unified government? Or maybe you try to negotiate a break-up of Libya to cultural borders? Who do you support? What to do with all the military hardware? What do you with Libya's resources? What to do with foreign fighters and militias? How do we prevent extremists taking control of Libya or gaining weapons to make terrorist attacks? What measures do you take to protect your assets and solidify negotiations with Libyan groups? What do you do to increase intelligence? What do you do to maintain loyalty? Or do you just let Libya fend for themselves?
    • September 11, 2012: American diplomatic compound in Benghazi comes under attack with an ambassador inside by militants with heavy weapons. How do you respond? (note you have forces outside Libya that can deploy within an hour) You have knowledge of CIA assets and JSOC forces within Libya ready to assist, how do you use them? What do you do with non-essential Americans? Limited to only what is available in Libya, what changes would you have done to rescue Americans in Benghazi and fight back against militants?
    • Post September 2012: What changes do you make to diplomatic missions in Benghazi and Libya? Do you still support the same groups? Do you still try to gather intelligence? What to do with armed militias and military hardware? What do you do for Libyan democracy? What do you do for Libyan trade and development?
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  • #2
    20/20 hindsight, We aid the duck suppressing the revolt...
    Credo quia absurdum.


    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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    • #3
      I agree. Best move is support the dictator you know and make him beholden to us for his continued existence in office. The revolutionaries, based on history will likely:

      Greatly increase the number of deaths in the country by massacring all opposition and those deemed "enemies of the state" / revolution.

      Greatly increase the amount of economic deprivation by wrecking the economy by looting it, imposing some idiot system on it like Communism, or otherwise destroy it.

      Immediately declare the US and most other countries enemies of the new state, even if the US and those countries helped them come to power.

      Will try and spread their revolution to adjoining states.

      So, by keeping Gaddafi in power that is avoided. Gaddafi was already sufficiently cowed into being reasonably peaceful at home and abroad by previous kicks in the teeth that it wouldn't be too difficult to get him to agree to a set of terms that were favorable or neutral to the US and Europe while preventing revolution in Libya.

      As for diplomatic facilities within Libya, fortify these but also make them as lean as possible to avoid casualties if they are hit.

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      • #4
        Nothing. It is not somthing that converns the USA. Instead i will pressure Europe to do nothing b
        you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

        CPO Mzinyati

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        • #5
          Depose Gaddafi as we did. The alternative would be a full scale Syria situation instead of what we have now. Then seriously back the secular movements in the country in setting up a strong government. Libya is not Syria and there was and still is a very strong secular pro-Western faction there. In the years following the war there was a very real chance of them being able to hold onto power and put Libya on track to bring a state like Morocco or Jordan. There still is assuming Haftar and his forces come out of this on top. Unfortunately Libya stopped being politicaly valuable in the West so we left them to rot as soon as Gaddafi was cold. The lesson of Iraq isn't to keep your hands off out of fear of making things worse. Its to stick with it until you force the desired outcome. Leaving them to their own devices is what lead to Syria.
          "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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          • #6
            Lately in the middle east, you lose no matter what you do.

            If you invade and try to set up a stable government, you lose (Iraq)
            If you just topple a governemt and do nothing afterwards, you lose (Libya)
            If you just do nothing, you lose (Syria)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
              Depose Gaddafi as we did. The alternative would be a full scale Syria situation instead of what we have now. Then seriously back the secular movements in the country in setting up a strong government. Libya is not Syria and there was and still is a very strong secular pro-Western faction there. In the years following the war there was a very real chance of them being able to hold onto power and put Libya on track to bring a state like Morocco or Jordan. There still is assuming Haftar and his forces come out of this on top. Unfortunately Libya stopped being politicaly valuable in the West so we left them to rot as soon as Gaddafi was cold. The lesson of Iraq isn't to keep your hands off out of fear of making things worse. Its to stick with it until you force the desired outcome. Leaving them to their own devices is what lead to Syria.

              +1

              There were opportunities in Libya & Syria early on to pick a side & put them in a position to win. Air support, SPECOPS, trainers & weapons for the 'least worst' side. Egypt at a minimum will help. Hammer the worst groups. Won't result in a peaceful, stable Libya, just a more peaceful & more stable one.
              Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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              • #8
                Hindsight is an awesome super power. It would make me a billionaire.

                With hindsight, I don't see any long term upside in doing anything at all.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Work_permit View Post
                  Lately in the middle east, you lose no matter what you do.

                  If you invade and try to set up a stable government, you lose (Iraq)
                  If you just topple a governemt and do nothing afterwards, you lose (Libya)
                  If you just do nothing, you lose (Syria)
                  Last I checked the government of Iraq still exists and isn't going anywhere any time soon. Granted there's this whole IS hiccup but you can't judge the outcome of a war by what happens after it ends and you aren't involved anymore. We did what we could and set them up to stand on their own successfully. What they do with it is up to them and if they fail now it's on them. Did we lose WWI because France eventually did fall to Germany after we went home? Iraq was not a loss.
                  "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
                    Hindsight is an awesome super power. It would make me a billionaire.
                    Some of us were saying this stuff at the time, especially those of us who have applied hindsight to events like the Spanish Civil War. There were no perfect endings likely, but some better ones for sure.
                    Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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