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  • What if...there was no Cold War!

    Would the world have been much different today? If so, which aspects?
    Technology less advanced?
    Would Soviet Russia have survived longer?
    Would certain regimes in the world have lasted longer?
    Would the Middle Eastern theatre have been more constant and calm?
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  • #2
    We'd have Moon bases, possibly have captured asteroids and turned them into orbital factories and habitats, maybe even have gotten a manned mission to Mars.
    Credo quia absurdum.


    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
      We'd have Moon bases, possibly have captured asteroids and turned them into orbital factories and habitats, maybe even have gotten a manned mission to Mars.
      Based on what? If anything the Cold War was the primary driver of space exploration. Look at how little we've done since the space race ended.
      "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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      • #4
        How would no Cold War happen?

        But, aside from that, frisco is right... The primary impetus for missile development, particularly ICBM's was a nuclear war between the West and Soviet Union.

        I'd say we'd still be flying around in four engine prop planes, would have never gone to the Moon, might not even have put satellites in space yet, not have invented all sorts of packing and preservation techniques for every product, and a whole plethora of other things.

        The Electronics Revolution would have come to a crawl. We might still be using large solid state components like were around in the 60's or even vacuum tubes simply because they are perfectly adequate for commercial applications.

        Peace and tranquility tend to retard progress by making people comfortable with the way things are. Conflict and adverse conditions drive progress. No Cold War, no East - West conflict, technological innovation stagnates.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          How would no Cold War happen?

          But, aside from that, frisco is right... The primary impetus for missile development, particularly ICBM's was a nuclear war between the West and Soviet Union.

          I'd say we'd still be flying around in four engine prop planes, would have never gone to the Moon, might not even have put satellites in space yet, not have invented all sorts of packing and preservation techniques for every product, and a whole plethora of other things.

          The Electronics Revolution would have come to a crawl. We might still be using large solid state components like were around in the 60's or even vacuum tubes simply because they are perfectly adequate for commercial applications.

          Peace and tranquility tend to retard progress by making people comfortable with the way things are. Conflict and adverse conditions drive progress. No Cold War, no East - West conflict, technological innovation stagnates.
          TAG's right in most respects here. The Cold War was in part a function of two competing political systems arguing as to which won WWII, and who was winning the peace. Hence the Space Race, two Germanies, Koreas, Viet Nams and Chinas, and a whole lot of shonky athletics results.

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          • #6
            I think you guys are wrong, yes wars can be reason to advance tech but trade also a factor, if cold war never happened would that mean colonialism survived or not, if it doesnt that mean free capitalist would happen.
            If nations have free trade without colonialism and without trade restrictions that mean best and cheapest product going to sell, that means new industrializing nations will go to a race of production and quality with the rest of the world, The thing made computers smaller is not the war its consumer market, and for selling more you have to invent new things, make things better, that is simple.
            But the other hand if russia would not be there there would not be an end to colonialism, like first world world war europe would not keep their promises to usa and a cold war between british and usa (Who want to freely access british colonies) would have happened.
            And without space race space thech would never developed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ruhi Soylu View Post
              I think you guys are wrong, yes wars can be reason to advance tech but trade also a factor, if cold war never happened would that mean colonialism survived or not, if it doesnt that mean free capitalist would happen.
              If nations have free trade without colonialism and without trade restrictions that mean best and cheapest product going to sell, that means new industrializing nations will go to a race of production and quality with the rest of the world, The thing made computers smaller is not the war its consumer market, and for selling more you have to invent new things, make things better, that is simple.
              But the other hand if russia would not be there there would not be an end to colonialism, like first world world war europe would not keep their promises to usa and a cold war between british and usa (Who want to freely access british colonies) would have happened.
              And without space race space thech would never developed.
              The thing that made computers smaller, faster, and better was first and foremost military necessity. Making smaller and reliable components and solid state electronics was primarily a need of the military for missiles, aircraft, and portable communications systems.
              Commercial uses saw little use for many military developments that led to better commercial technology once they matured. Travelling wave tubes for example, or high frequency tubes for radar that became the basis for induction heating equipment.
              With computers it's the same. The Silver - Nickel battery was developed for use with aircraft and missiles due to its compact size and high capacity. It was costly at first so commercially it'd have been a fail.

              IBM created the 8088 using off the shelf technology largely developed by the military and made cheap enough for commercial use. What made the 8088 / PC computer a success was open architecture. That allowed software developers to make a wide range of common use software that was useful to business.
              The Internet started out of military necessity as ARPANET so DARPA, NASA, and other research agencies and universities could share data over long distances.
              The massive improvement in communications, satellites, and interconnectivity was mostly driven by military need first and commercialized afterwards.

              Without the Cold War driving a need, all of that stuff would have languished. Worse, if the Social-Welfare state took hold in the US earlier the US, like Europe would have had far more limited funding to do research on anything.

              History shows that peace breeds lethargy and complacency in societies. It is adversity and conflict that lead to innovation and technological advancement at the highest rate.

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