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  • #31
    Well, U-Boats and Seaplanes seem to be out, what does that leave?

    Surface ships, like raiders and blockade runners.
    How many Commandoes could you have stuffed into a raider like the Stier, and how close could it have come to a place like Puerto Rico?
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    • #32
      Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
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      How many Commandoes could you have stuffed into a raider like the Stier, and how close could it have come to a place like Puerto Rico?
      Several hundred men. Would have been difficult to approach. Maritime patrols, air and surface, were fairly aggresive. Attacking a South American target may have been easier. A German sub did attempt to bombard a Venzuelian refinery. The cannon malfunctioned on the first shot, but the sub was able to approach and depart unmolested.

      A variant on this might be a ship rigged to deploy several single or twin engine sea planes. It would have to heavily camoflaged on the crossing, leading to slower deployment of the aircraft. If the aircraft are no to be recovered then the mission is a little simpler.

      Either way its going to be difficult to get the ship across the Atlantic.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
        Well, U-Boats and Seaplanes seem to be out, what does that leave?

        Surface ships, like raiders and blockade runners.
        How many Commandoes could you have stuffed into a raider like the Stier, and how close could it have come to a place like Puerto Rico?
        Stier carries 6 15cm guns, 2 3.7cm AA 4 2 cm AA 2 fixed 21" torpedo tubes (fixed submerged), 35 mines and two aircraft. There's a crew of 324. This is on 11,000 tons. So, it should be possible to carry say 200 troops aboard without too much difficulty.

        The big problem would be avoiding all the aircraft and small ships you would run across getting there. The Caribbean is being crisscrossed with aircraft on ASW patrol, training flights, and the like. There are literally a hundred + small naval vessels transiting the area along with a couple of blimp squadrons patrolling.
        Convoys under escort move all over the Caribbean too.

        I'd say Trinidad and Tobago would be an easier target to hit as the British have less defense there and there are oil wells there too.

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        • #34
          Certain classes of high speed ships did cross the Atlantic without convoy. Imitating one of those might be vaguely possible. A high speed passenger liner just might make it to the US east coast & launch some sort of publicity attack.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
            Certain classes of high speed ships did cross the Atlantic without convoy. Imitating one of those might be vaguely possible. A high speed passenger liner just might make it to the US east coast & launch some sort of publicity attack.
            Most ships that could exceed about 15 knots steaming sailed independently rather than in convoy. At that sort of cruising speed they were almost immune to U-boat interception and torpedoing if zig-zagging.

            This is because a nighttime surfaced U-boat would have a hard time getting into a firing position and keeping such a target under surveillance while doing that, and a submerged U-boat stood zero chance of getting a torpedo spread on such a ship unless it just happened to have the ship run over its position.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
              Operation drumhead. Caused a lot of damage to U.S. Shipping at first as they ran with lights on with no escorts and the subs could see them in front of the lights on land. I remember reading one possible incident where a torpedo missed, zoomed up the beach and blew up a truck...
              Operation Petticoat . 1.14.30 into the film.

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              • #37
                operation drumbeat can rightly be considered to be a failure .

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                • #38
                  The loss of 4000 on the Lancastria and 1000 on the Leopoldville was hushed up for years. If you can take out one of the Queens with an entire division of 10,000 US troops within American waters that would be a real blow to morale.

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