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  • Hitler demands retaliation.

    With the US entry into the war, Hitler demands that his military come up with the means to attack the United States directly. He wants attacks on the continental US for propaganda purposes, if nothing else.

    He gives his military services nine months (Jan 1942 to September 1942) to come up with a way to launch strikes against the US.

    Rules:

    The strikes cannot be suicidal.
    While the services can act together, they would prefer to act alone to the maximum extent possible.
    Repeatable strikes would be preferred.

    So, how would you faced with this Fuhrer befel proceed as the head of the Heer, SS, Luftwaffe, or Kriegsmarine?

  • #2
    Totally impossible.

    The only thing they could do is help those Japanese Flying Boats bomb the soft underbelly, the Gulf Coast.

    Other than that, they have no aircraft and no rockets that could be fired from Subs yet. Sept 1942? No way.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
      Totally impossible.

      The only thing they could do is help those Japanese Flying Boats bomb the soft underbelly, the Gulf Coast.

      Other than that, they have no aircraft and no rockets that could be fired from Subs yet. Sept 1942? No way.
      Oh, no it's not. I already thought up two scenarios that would work.

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      • #4
        I personally reckon that chemical and biological 'revenge' utilising picked members from amongst the German-American community would make more sense. Get at water supplies and population and economic choke points.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
          I personally reckon that chemical and biological 'revenge' utilising picked members from amongst the German-American community would make more sense. Get at water supplies and population and economic choke points.
          How do you get a hold of these "picked" members of that community with the war going on?

          One that immediately comes to mind is that the KM modifies a Type IX U-boat under construction to mount just 4 TT with 4 torpedoes aboard and 2 15cm deck guns and about 100 rounds of ammunition aboard. Knowing that much of the US eastern seaboard is not blacked out, the sub proceeds to the US and then in a matter of about half an hour (2 rounds a minute, with 2 guns firing) shells a moderate sized city not protected by coast defenses in the wee hours of the morning after which the sub departs back to Germany.
          A mission profile like that could be carried out several times at widely spaced locations on the Eastern Seaboard and Caribbean. It is even potentially possible the boat could sail to the Pacific and do the same.
          It is not some major strike but it would have had both propaganda value in Germany and caused a major uproar at least the first time it occurred.

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          • #6
            Wasn't there experiments done with the Condor for this purpose ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
              Wasn't there experiments done with the Condor for this purpose ?
              The one I came up with for aircraft is:

              Bholm u. Voss is instructed to rush production of their Bv 222 and modify all of them to haul a 1000 to 2000 kg bomb load of 100 kg bombs and incendiaries. These (6) by mid 1942 are then loaded with their bombs and are carrying some personnel for weather stations and such in addition. They fly to Norway where they take on max fuel.
              They then fly to the Western coast of Greenland where they meet a U-boat(s) that they refuel from. In addition, they drop off their weather station personnel.
              They then fly over Canada in daylight arriving near Chicago just after dark where they bomb the city. The intent is simply to hit the city and cause widespread fires and damage, even if most of it is minor.
              The planes turn East, flying out over the Great Lakes then turn on a reciprocal course to Greenland to refuel a second time. From there they fly back to Norway.

              This is really no more difficult to manage than the Japanese flying H8K to the French Frigate Shoals and using them to bomb / recon Pearl Harbor.

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              • #8
                Didn't German subs actually get close to the East coast of the U.S. during the war?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  The one I came up with for aircraft is:

                  Bholm u. Voss is instructed to rush production of their Bv 222 and modify all of them to haul a 1000 to 2000 kg bomb load of 100 kg bombs and incendiaries. These (6) by mid 1942 are then loaded with their bombs and are carrying some personnel for weather stations and such in addition. They fly to Norway where they take on max fuel.
                  They then fly to the Western coast of Greenland where they meet a U-boat(s) that they refuel from. In addition, they drop off their weather station personnel.
                  They then fly over Canada in daylight arriving near Chicago just after dark where they bomb the city. The intent is simply to hit the city and cause widespread fires and damage, even if most of it is minor.
                  The planes turn East, flying out over the Great Lakes then turn on a reciprocal course to Greenland to refuel a second time. From there they fly back to Norway.

                  This is really no more difficult to manage than the Japanese flying H8K to the French Frigate Shoals and using them to bomb / recon Pearl Harbor.
                  The trick is landing twice in Greenland using an undetected airstrip... Bit of a toughie

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Checkertail20 View Post
                    Didn't German subs actually get close to the East coast of the U.S. during the war?
                    Operation drumhead. Caused a lot of damage to U.S. Shipping at first as they ran with lights on with no escorts and the subs could see them in front of the lights on land. I remember reading one possible incident where a torpedo missed, zoomed up the beach and blew up a truck...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                      The trick is landing twice in Greenland using an undetected airstrip... Bit of a toughie
                      The BV 222 is a seaplane...



                      They would be landing in a pre-scouted bay or estuary, refueling from the subs, and then taking off again.

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                      • #12
                        Modify the Arado-196 in order to be used from a submarine and being able to carry a bigger bomb load.
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                        • #13
                          Hi

                          The U-Boats could have shelled the brightly lite coastal areas, as well as running amok during Drumbeat.
                          I suppose they could have been joined by the odd raider to help in the shelling.

                          Regards

                          Andy H
                          "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                          "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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                          • #14
                            Yep, definitely the submarine menace. Sink everything in sight, strafe the shore, mine as many harbours as possible. Given the distances involved, the KM is the only viable arm.

                            Whatever strategy is adopted, it will only work for a limited period of time. Then the US adopts effective counter-measures.

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                            • #15
                              Yeah, U-boats would be the most efficient means to rely on for delivery. As to what they delivery would be....wasn't Hitler too afraid to use chemical weapons, just in case they were used against him in return?

                              So, agree on U-boats and shelling the coastal cities as a start. Wait a minute, didn't the Japanese try that in the movie 1941?
                              The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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