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  • #16
    Picking over this a bit further is has become apparent there is a significant fork sometime in the 1920s. A end to the 1914 war this early leads to some degree of a white peace between Britain & Germany, which settles nothing as far as Britain is concerned. That leaves the possibility of a German/Brit war during the 1920s. If there is not war doctrinal & technical developments will be relatively slow, compared to what we understand from the four years of 1914-18 it would seem very stagnant. if a german/Brit war does come sometime 1923-27 it is going to accelerate some or many developments, depending on the length and nature.

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    • #17
      Hmmm.
      What reason is there for a new war? Cant see one except the German Navy. Britain would try to avoid a war without an ally on the continent

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hanov View Post
        Hmmm.
        What reason is there for a new war? Cant see one except the German Navy. Britain would try to avoid a war without an ally on the continent

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        Always depending,of course, on the actual circumstances of Central Powers victory, there is reason to suppose that a rapprochement between Britain and Germany would be plausible :depending on the prevailing attitude of Kaiser Wilhelm.
        "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
        Samuel Johnson.

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        • #19
          Why did any of the nations start a war in 1914? It was at the bottom illogical, but less sensible reasoning prevailed. A White peace leaves Britain with the same problem as before, that is Germany is replacing Britain as the dominate European power. That runs counter to Britans 18th & 19th Century practice of opposing & undercutting the next strongest European state. Perhaps some expert on British politics can educate us on how well ingrained that policy was or was not within the British leadership?

          The other half of the vote lies with the German leaders. The Kaisers influence on foreign policy was not exactly the best & the men he choose to conduct it had a mixed record. Blunders, miscalculation, and more than a bit of arrogance are possible as the next decade from 1915 runs on.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
            Why did any of the nations start a war in 1914? It was at the bottom illogical, but less sensible reasoning prevailed. A White peace leaves Britain with the same problem as before, that is Germany is replacing Britain as the dominate European power. That runs counter to Britans 18th & 19th Century practice of opposing & undercutting the next strongest European state. Perhaps some expert on British politics can educate us on how well ingrained that policy was or was not within the British leadership?

            The other half of the vote lies with the German leaders. The Kaisers influence on foreign policy was not exactly the best & the men he choose to conduct it had a mixed record. Blunders, miscalculation, and more than a bit of arrogance are possible as the next decade from 1915 runs on.
            But Britain was never the dominant "European power" at least not on the continent itself. As for the "Balance of Power" theory, that is ,that Britain would automatically align itself against the perceived most powerful, nation I don't think that was ever a consistent doctrine Pragmatism was always the apparent policy.

            Besides which, potentially was the most powerful grouping in 1914. The Central Powers or the Russia/ France combination ?
            "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
            Samuel Johnson.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post
              But Britain was never the dominant "European power" at least not on the continent itself. As for the "Balance of Power" theory, that is ,that Britain would automatically align itself against the perceived most powerful, nation I don't think that was ever a consistent doctrine Pragmatism was always the apparent policy.
              Never the less it was a ofte considered & followed policy. As I pointed out before Germany has half the vote here. If foreign policy is no better than OTL during the Great War then another sad series of errors may occur. It should have been a no brainer for Germany to have kept the US nuetral longer or indefiinitly OTL & the foreign office managed to fail at it. No guarantees something like that wont happen again.

              Besides which, potentially was the most powerful grouping in 1914. The Central Powers or the Russia/ France combination ?
              Some analysis point to Russias growing economy, industrial plant, and reforming Army as returning it to Britains focus. Post 1815 Russia occupied the center of Britains foreign policy as often as not. What scenario plays out after a 1915 peace depends on how badly Russia is damaged by its defeat. Internal political damage probablly counts for more than any likely external damage from territorial loss, ect...

              Whatever th case the core question here is what the developments in military hardware and doctrine might be post 1915. There are two courses I can see, & as per my earlier post one is development if peace continues through the 1920s & the other is if another 'Great Powers' war emerges. Two very different courses for weapons and doctrine are liable to be seen.

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              • #22
                Without Jutland both Germany and Britain will not be using those lessons to improve their designs. That will substantially handicap them compared to the us and Japan which had made some strides. At least qualitatively.
                Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                • #23
                  Yes, the combat experience would not be there. Design changes would follow the prewar expectations & go in direction we might not see as entirely logical.

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