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  • #31
    Kaiser is...

    the balls ! I wish Germany had won WWI.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SteinOfOrange View Post
      the balls ! I wish Germany had won WWI.
      Is that worth a response ? Probably not.
      "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
      Samuel Johnson.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by IDonT4 View Post
        That is some significant butterfly effect.
        A stronger Germany means more support for the White movement in the Russian Civil war which could be just enough for them to win control of Russia.
        One small detail though Germany SUPPORTED Lenin in OTL as a way to win Russia. Would they then sell out their so-called allies so fast? Maybe so, maybe not...

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        • #34
          Lenin wasn't a German allie ,he was a malignancy injected into the Russian body politic.
          Wack tac mac hey.
          Regards.
          Grishnak.

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          • #35
            With German money and support. And they got Brest-Litovsk treaty because of bolseviks. Would Germans support whites who were dead against that treaty....

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            • #36
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Another interesting facet of this is let's say Germany demands their pre-war colonial possessions back. Does Japan essentially get nothing out of the war?. ...
              Japans big gain was the ability to impose the 'Twenty One Demands' on China. Its support of the Entente earned Japan a free mugging pass on China. The German concession @ Tienstein was chump change compared to the expected return on Chinas concessions to Japan elsewhere.

              Tho Japan was pushing boundaries with the Twenty One Demands. So maybe the Japanese leaders would throw the dice again & refuse to give up the German concessions? Or perhaps they would seek a balancing manuver by attempting to ingratiate themselves with the Germans by graciously returning the Tienstein Concession? There are several way Japan could have played this to its advantage.

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              • #37
                Germany gets the Belgian Congo, Vietnam and a couple French African colonies to round up its african empire.

                Japan decides to return the German Paicifc posesions.

                France is to pay a large sum in reparations, a 100Km zone from the German border is demilitarized.

                Brest-Litovsk becomes a reality, with a bunch of successor states ruled by Hohenzollern and Habsburg kings, whom duly sign a Customs union with the CPs.

                The Soviets are chased off Europe by the Germans.

                Willie has to sign a new constitution giving more powers to the Reichstag, he will soon abdicate in favour of his son.

                AH becomes the Austria-Hungary-Slavia Empire, it quickly invades Italy with German support in retaliation for not joining its allies in the war, Italy is broken down into the Kingdoms of Sardinia, Naples, Sicily and Rome.

                Turkey engages in mass murder and nearly wipes out the Armenians, only German threats makes it stop. Turkey retakes Egypt, the Dodecanese and Libya.

                Bulgaria invades Greece, takes Salonika. A german imposed treaty forces them to give it back but they still get some lands and the Dobrudja from the Romanians.

                Romania gets Besarabia as "consolation".

                The rump Serbian state becomes an AHS protectorate.



                Everybody starts to get ready for the next war... Germany is building a large fleet, carriers and landing craft...

                ...but it is still far better than the crap Versailles created.
                Last edited by JAG; 17 Jun 15, 02:05.
                "'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

                - Steven Weinberg

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                • #38
                  The only negociated peace possible for the allies was peace without annexations and reparations.

                  Negociated peace in 1915 : Germany becomes a constitutional monarchy.

                  Negociated peace later : Germany becomes a republic .

                  In both cases,the role of the Hohenzollerns is over .

                  That's why Germany wanted no negociated peace,only a total victory .

                  Germany started the war and if the war ended without total victory,it would end with defeat and the ruling classes would pay for it .

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tiberius Duval View Post
                    With German money and support. And they got Brest-Litovsk treaty because of bolseviks. Would Germans support whites who were dead against that treaty....
                    Which is not correct

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                      The only negociated peace possible for the allies was peace without annexations and reparations.

                      Negociated peace in 1915 : Germany becomes a constitutional monarchy.

                      Negociated peace later : Germany becomes a republic .

                      In both cases,the role of the Hohenzollerns is over .

                      That's why Germany wanted no negociated peace,only a total victory .

                      Germany started the war and if the war ended without total victory,it would end with defeat and the ruling classes would pay for it .
                      Rubbish
                      "'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

                      - Steven Weinberg

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                      • #41
                        This is only proving that you have no serious answer .

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                          This is only proving that you have no serious answer .
                          No, it only proves that contrary to other forums here I still havent figured out a way to lock you!
                          "'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

                          - Steven Weinberg

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                          • #43
                            Found it!

                            Good bye!
                            "'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

                            - Steven Weinberg

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                            • #44
                              Jawohl,OGF

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