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Halsey's Third Fleet 1945 vs RN taskforce in Falklands war

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  • #31
    Originally posted by andrewza View Post
    The en is not fighting a bazillion aircraft. Nor are they kamikaze
    Eh? True, the English wouldn't be fighting as many planes as the fleet off Okinawa, but we should remember that it was only the kamikaze tactics that created so many hits.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by andrewza View Post
      The RN would be able to use there better radars and EW to find the enemy and prevent the enemy from finding it. A night attack by the harrier jets to try and damage the carriers runways. Then the RN can just pick the yanks of at leisure.
      That is a good point.

      The USN fleet can flood the area with recon planes along the threat vector (North). One of them find the RN task force (which was divided into two parts).

      A night attack is a good idea, but I believe the USN fleet will do the reverse of what Somerville did in the Indian Ocean: steam away during the night to open up the range. Both forces strike range is basically similar.

      Other things:

      1.) There were only 28 Sea Harriers in the task force. This was augmented by 14 Harrier GR. 3.

      2.) The Sea Harriers had been just as hastily fitted with countermeasures for air combat. A pair of chaff/flare dispensers were tacked on behind the underfuselage airbrake. This was done in such a hurry that the chaff-flare dispensers actually had to be air-dropped to the task force while it was underway by an RAF C-130 Hercules transport. In addition, an effort was made to cram the Marconi "Sky Shadow" jammer pod, used on the Tornado, into the shell of a 30 millimeter cannon pod, to be fitted in place of one of the guns. This improvisation was named the "Blue Eric" ECM pod and a small number were built, though it is unclear if they actually saw service in the Falklands campaign. (I'm guessing there were some but not enough to outfit all the sea harriers, certainly the GR.3s did not have them.)

      3.) The GR.3s were armed with SNEB rockets, BL755 cluster bombs, and laser-guided bombs for ground strikes. Although they didn't have a laser target designator themselves, they could hit targets designated by ground forces

      4.) The British had minimal support by airborne early warning aircraft, forcing the Sea Harriers to carry out extended combat air patrols and rely on radar picket ships (HMS Sheffield for example).

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      • #33
        If the Belgrano (ex USS Phoenix) had got within range with its 15 six" guns, how much damage could it have done to the British ships which were about as armoured as aluminium cans?

        Would Halsey's proximity-fused 5" and multiple Bofors still have been reasonably effective against 350mph Harriers at low level?
        Last edited by Mifletz; 04 Feb 15, 23:11.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mifletz View Post
          If the Belgrano (ex USS Phoenix) had got within range with its 15 six" guns, how much damage could it have done to the British ships which were about as armoured as aluminium cans?
          She'd have eaten a couple of Exocets and that'd be the end of that.

          Would Halsey's proximity-fused 5" and multiple Bofors still have been reasonably effective against 350mph Harriers at low level?[/QUOTE]

          The Mk 37 fire control system used with the 5"/38 gun has a mechanical limit of 400 knots The system would be hard pressed to deal with a Harrier.

          The Mk 63 used with the 40mm guns has a limit of 550 knots but the limited range, limited knock down power of the gun, and it's ability to follow a fast target make it very marginal at defending against a Harrier.

          Could they shoot one down? Certainly. The probability isn't high though.

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