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  • #16
    FDR could never have gotten public support to go to war over the DEI. PERIOD!

    Upping aid to China? Sounds good, how does it get there?
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    youre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
      FDR could never have gotten public support to go to war over the DEI. PERIOD!

      Upping aid to China? Sounds good, how does it get there?
      The next year his cabinet was unanimous that he could get a declaration of war against Japan if they attacked British or Dutch possessions in the "Southern Resources Area". This was November 6th.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
        FDR could never have gotten public support to go to war over the DEI. PERIOD!

        Upping aid to China? Sounds good, how does it get there?
        Burma is still open in 1940 so aid can flow to China.

        If the US and Britain reinforce their Pacific / Asian holdings earlier then the Japanese are really facing a losing battle. Even with the DEI their industries face economic decline with the loss of US and other nation's imports. With a build up of forces in Malaysia, the Philippines and elsewhere many of the previously taken possessions of the US and Britain become likely to be difficult or impossible to take.
        If the US were to send a second US infantry division, say a national guard one, to the PI along with more coast artillery and then build up aircraft the Japanese face a true problem taking the islands.
        The US could have also made more effort to bring the Philippine Army up to strength and training. Even if one Philippine division was worth a third of the two US ones having 10+ means that taking the islands is really beyond Japan's military ability.

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        • #19
          Damn, OP, I'll be reading that stuff all night! On the other hand, if polls were to be believed, Roosevelt would never have had 3 terms.
          dit: Lirelou

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          • #20
            Originally posted by lirelou View Post
            Damn, OP, I'll be reading that stuff all night! On the other hand, if polls were to be believed, Roosevelt would never have had 3 terms.
            The polls didn't have a chance against Eleanor.
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            • #21
              This

              Originally posted by The Purist View Post
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              In my opinion I think the US would have hastened the reinforcement of the Philippines with the intent of striking the Japanese shipping routes should war come. Wake my also have been beefed up enough to be used a transfer base for long range aircraft (PBY, B-17, B-24) although I am not sure stripped down B-17s could make the hop without Guam.
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              ..and this

              Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
              The US Neutrality Laws would have kicked in as well, stopping war material sales to Japan a year earlier. If China avoided being included in that activation they'd have an advantage.
              While it is correct to say the Phillipines cannot be held with anything the US sends in 1940-41 there would be a political and practical necessity to attempt to accelerate the creation of the Phillipines Army. & to make a statement to Japan.

              We need to recall this WI occurs not long after the fall of France, a event that triggered the passing of the War Powers Acts in Congress, the mobilization of the armed forces reserves and National Guard into Federal service, and a massive spending bill for rearmament.. With all that triggered by the European war it is only logical to think Japan picking off the DEI would enlarge the sense of crisis in the US & put more pressure behind the US mobilization starting late 1940. Given the problems starting this mobilization there is less short term effect than long term. In the longer run the US will be further along in preparedness after 12 or 18 months than in OTL.

              On the Japanese side this can be catastrophic after 12 to 18 months. Consider just two items: First; Japan had not cash or capitol reserves to speak of. In 1940 it was dependent on British and US banks for industrial loans, and loans to Japans government for sustaining the China Incident and it general military program. Second; during 194 approx. 60% of the cargo entering and leaving Japans ports was in foreign flagged ships. Norwegian & British ships were among the dominant groups in this trade.

              Seizing the DEI is liable to reduce fairly quickly the loans available to Japan & its businesses, and the Brits and allies are liable to significantly reduce shipping contracts with the Japanese. They have better use for their cargo hulls in late 1940. Bottom line here is Japans imports/exports including vital raw materials fall off due to both cash flow problems, and a growing inability to contract ships.
              Last edited by Carl Schwamberg; 03 Nov 14, 19:20.

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