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  • What If china exported the T-34-2/T-34-3 with a 122mm gun to communist block nations.

    The Tanks in this what if, are actually Chinese tanks developed from the T-34 tank. Historically this series of main battle tanks(T-34-1,-2 and -3) were originally intended to be a analogue to the T-54 tanks in soviet service,but procurement of these tanks by a PLA was canceled after the procurement to produce a licensed version of the T-54. These tanks were tested with Chinese built 85mm,100mm and 122mm main guns.

    What if these tanks were developed further into tanks for foreign Export to other countries(e.g Pakistan,Syria, Iraq and Iran for example). the export tank(that I'll call the MBT 1000 series for now) would be exported with either a 100mm or a 122mm(the latter gun will be the main focus for now. That tank would most likely be exported to soviet and Chinese allies of the cold war era.

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    T-34 chassis is too small for the 122mm in a turret.

    The Egyptian T-122 was not a success, nor the 100mm version with the BS-3 cannon.

    At 44 tons the Christie suspension is overloaded, and the small turret ring meant that the gun had to me mounted high, and a overly tall turret resulted, since you still needed to have decent elevation and depression for the cannon: a big target.

    Last, you end up with a near unprotected tank, 45mm on the hull, and 75mm on the turret sides for the 1960s battlefield.

    Its a death trap for offensive operations, but would be of some use in defensive operations.

    There is real reasons why the Soviets did the T-44 and T-54

    The only use of the T-34 in the post 1955 world would be as a heavier version of the PT-76 if you went with thinner armor and other weight saving tricks
    Last edited by Marathag; 26 Oct 14, 11:28.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Marathag View Post
      T-34 chassis is too small for the 122mm in a turret.

      The Egyptian T-122 was not a success, nor the 100mm version with the BS-3 cannon.

      At 44 tons the Christie suspension is overloaded, and the small turret ring meant that the gun had to me mounted high, and a overly tall turret resulted, since you still needed to have decent elevation and depression for the cannon: a big target.

      Last, you end up with a near unprotected tank, 45mm on the hull, and 75mm on the turret sides for the 1960s battlefield.

      Its a death trap for offensive operations, but would be of some use in defensive operations.

      There is real reasons why the Soviets did the T-44 and T-54

      The only use of the T-34 in the post 1955 world would be as a heavier version of the PT-76 if you went with thinner armor and other weight saving tricks
      The Chinese T-34-2 and -3 were not modernization of the T-34 itself but were different tanks altogether and were meant to be a indigenous contemporary to the T-54. while the T-34-1 was meant to be a alternative to the T-34-85. The T-34-2 and -3 were designed to be as close to the T-54 in performance as possible in a time when china only had T-34s and IS-2s the T-34-3 looked like a T-54 and had a 122 mm main gun adapted from the IS-2. These tanks also used torsion bars and had a different compartment, engine and transmission layout.

      I repeat these tanks are not T-34 mods. they are completely different tanks to the T-34 and were designed at a time where china had mainly outdated tanks. they were essentially prototype Chinese tanks that never made it past the prototype stage for political reasons.

      These are tanks that did show up in world of tanks. however there is a very real probability they have existed as prototype tanks for the Chinese army.

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      • #4
        I don't do WoT. Type 58 was just a T-34 built to Chinese specs, as was the 59 to the T-54A, but more simplified.

        The D-25 122mm design was still long in the tooth by the '50s, no matter the chassis it is riding on.

        separate loading, cased ammunition had seen its time, low RoF and few rounds carried.

        The D-10 100mm was superior.

        Unless it's far cheaper than the T-54, the Chinese won't find many buyers for whatever they come up with if it isn't as good as the T-54, and staying with the 122mm, it just won't be.

        Even the T-54 export versions had NV gear and gyro-stabilizer, another minus.

        Who did you think would want to buy these? The Soviet price on better T54s was already pretty cheap to their client states

        There might have been a market for the Type 62, though, for a light tank

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        • #5
          Given the actual conversions done like this (as opposed to the WoT idiocies that are complete fantasy) look like:



          I'd say that the T-34 is really incapable of mounting a 122 or 100mm gun.

          The British Challenger shows what probably would have realistically been necessary to make a half decent T 34 with 122 or 100 mm gun mounted on it:



          That would require lengthening the T 34 by another road wheel, eliminating some of the side hull slope to accommodate a larger turret ring, and then plopping on a huge unwieldy turret with the new gun on the resulting vehicle.

          Why bother? The T44 and T54 are both better vehicles by far and mounting the 100mm gun is far preferable for an MBT than the 122. After all, the 100 really has better performance, uses single piece ammunition, and can carry more rounds. The 122 is a better artillery piece than a tank gun.

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          • #6
            I agree, is an unfeasible idea. With that sort of turret the tank would be unbalanced which means lowered cross-country capable and higher power-train maintenance, and a very low combat load for the main gun.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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