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  • #16
    Originally posted by redcoat View Post
    The British interrogators had the same problem, they also couldn't understand what he was up too, and it led to a confused and botched response to Hess's arrival.
    However after interviewing him at length the British came to the view that he was attempting to get in touch with the Duke Of Hamilton, who he viewed as someone sympathetic to Germany, despite only meeting him once in 1936 at the Olympic games.
    Hess also told the interrogators the details of the so-called peace plan,
    (taken from the British government file FO 371/34484)

    "(i) That Germany should be given a free hand in Europe.

    (ii) That England should have a free hand in the British Empire, except that the ex-
    German colonies should be returned to Germany.

    (iii) That Russia should be included in Asia, but that Germany had certain demands to
    make of Russia which would have to be satisfied either by negotiation or as the result
    of war. There was, however, no truth in the rumours that the Führer contemplated an
    early attack on Russia.

    (iv) That the British should evacuate Iraq.

    (v) The peace agreement would have to contain a provision for the reciprocal
    indemnification of British and German Nationals, whose property had been
    expropriated as the result of war.

    (vi) The proposal could only be considered on the understanding that it was
    negotiated by Germany with an English Government other than the present British
    Government. Mr. Churchill, who had planned the war since 1936, and his colleagues,
    who had lent themselves to his war policy, were not persons with whom the Führer
    would negotiate.

    Hess concluded by emphasising that the Führer really wanted a permanent understanding with
    Great Britain on a basis which preserved the British Empire intact. His own flight was
    intended to give Great Britain a chance of opening conversations without loss of prestige. If
    this chance were to be rejected it would be the Führer’s duty to destroy Great Britain utterly
    and to keep the country after the war in a state of permanent subjection."
    What seems to be omitted is the request from the Nazis for their own personal toilet attendants to wipe arses and shake willies.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Khepesh View Post
      ^ I don't dispute all those points or that they are on file, and there is nothing there which is controversial or surprising in any way. What is missing is the negotiations that I think must have taken place before his flight. It is simply not credible that Hess flew to Scotland on some impulse in the hope of speaking with Hamilton, who denied all knowledge, and Hess would not even have known if he was at that residence at the time. All we know about this is what we are told, there is no neutral report, everything is from British government who would have very good reasons to hide any under the table peace negotiations with Hitler, and to throw up their hands and say "Hey, what's all this with Hess, we know nothing, nothing, okaaaay....."
      I know l will never be able to convince you, as it is difficult to prove a negative, but the first response of the British on Hess's arrival was one of confusion, which led to a botched response to what could have been a significant propaganda opportunity. There is also the fact that Hess in his long years of imprisonment, even when he was held with fellow Nazi's some of whom were eventually released from prison, never ever made any comments to support your view.
      Last edited by redcoat; 08 Oct 14, 12:51.

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      • #18
        Ok, here something out of left field, the Abwehr finds out and Hess is arrested for treason and is executed and soon forgotten.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Khepesh View Post
          ^ I don't dispute all those points or that they are on file, and there is nothing there which is controversial or surprising in any way. What is missing is the negotiations that I think must have taken place before his flight. It is simply not credible that Hess flew to Scotland on some impulse in the hope of speaking with Hamilton, who denied all knowledge, and Hess would not even have known if he was at that residence at the time.
          Yes, that behavior would have been strange - for a rational, intelligent and responsible statesman.
          Michele

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Roddoss72 View Post
            Ok, here something out of left field, the Abwehr finds out and Hess is arrested for treason and is executed and soon forgotten.
            A lot of these enemies of the Reich were ket in prison for a long time before execution. ie: Adm Canaris. Hess might have lived on in some cell till late in the war, when he would be hastly shot or hanged.

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