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    It is claimed that had the MP42/43/44 been fully available to the Germans earlier it could have won them Stalingrad, Monte Cassino and Bastogne.

    If the SS in the final battle scene in "Saving Private Ryan" had all been firing MP44s even Ryan would not have made it.....and maybe even the Mustang at the end would also have been downed!



    Although damage from the Kurz round against post-1943 aircraft above 100m would be marginal, at Normandy the Anglo-American jabos flew at 100-500', as here
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odwJ47nmduQ

    Would 30 German soldiers in the bocage ordered to all aim in the path of at one Tiffy and placing 900 rounds of 7.92x33 in its path have made enough impression on the armoured glass, cockpit armour and monocoque construction to increase the Allied loss rate to flak from a constant drizzle to a pain?

    After all, a Stug44 was good enough for Tintin (after whom Wallonian SS Leon Degrelle was reputedly modelled) to bring down a Mossie!

    Last edited by Mifletz; 04 Sep 14, 14:51.

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    We've got your number fanboi.

    The devil take you.

    Sincerely. Brian.
    Credo quia absurdum.


    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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    • #3
      From US records it took upwards of 100,000 .50 rounds of AA fire per kill with that weapon used as an AA gun on a dedicated mount.

      Sturmgewehr would make zero difference to fighter bomber attacks and their outcome.

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        Tag. He's a ratzi. 'Nuf said.
        Credo quia absurdum.


        Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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        • #5
          This is your craziest thread yet, LOL!

          How about the universal issue of LW Umbrellas to defeat the allied air forces?

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          • #6
            Small arms would not have changed a thing.
            Even not if combined with Panzerfausts and stuff. Downing an Aircraft with a 7,92x33 is a joke.
            Downing a Fighter Bomber with a MG42 (7,92x57) is difficult enough.
            Anyways who claims that Stalingrad could have been taken with StG44?

            Apart from that, what is it worth if you're getting encircled some weeks later? You will not fight off T-34 and Artillery with an assault rifle.
            One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
              Tag. He's a ratzi. 'Nuf said.
              True.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                Sturmgewehr would make zero difference to fighter bomber attacks and their outcome.




                The Germans intended all soldiers to be carrying Stugs. Since it could
                fire on full auto, the effect of the 50 kurz hits on Tiffy monocoque and canopy at 100m is really that paltry?

                Maybe liberal issue of fliegerfausts would have meant that Clostermann never would have got to author his book, or was it equally ineffective?

                Last edited by Mifletz; 06 Sep 14, 14:20.

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                • #9
                  All German soldiers carrying StuGs would have been a truly terrifying sight.
                  "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mifletz View Post
                    The Germans intended all soldiers to be carrying Stugs. Since it could
                    fire on full auto, the effect of the 50 kurz hits on Tiffy monocoque and canopy at 100m is really that paltry?

                    Maybe liberal issue of fliegerfausts would have meant that Clostermann never would have got to author his book, or was it equally ineffective?

                    I had to copy this. For the Lol factor...
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                      All German soldiers carrying StuGs would have been a truly terrifying sight.
                      Maybe they were handed out as trinkets?


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mifletz View Post
                        The Germans intended all soldiers to be carrying Stugs. Since it could
                        fire on full auto, the effect of the 50 kurz hits on Tiffy monocoque and canopy at 100m is really that paltry?

                        Maybe liberal issue of fliegerfausts would have meant that Clostermann never would have got to author his book, or was it equally ineffective?

                        Yea, I'm sure hauling that piece of gear would have been as popular as hauling this one was...



                        Despite its effectiveness, the PIAT could be a brute to handle and it was not the soldier's best friend. It was heavy and awkward to carry, and commonly two soldiers were needed for its use: one to carry the weapon, the other the ammunition.
                        http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/equip_piat.htm

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                        • #13
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fliegerfaust

                          O.o
                          Credo quia absurdum.


                          Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                          • #14
                            English enthusiast reenactors spend all their weekends running around as SS toting Stugs and Fliegerfausts attempting to relive life in the bocage!



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                            • #15
                              And how many planes have these wannabe's shot down?

                              Like I said fanbois are lame.
                              Credo quia absurdum.


                              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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