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  • US drops atomic bomb on Berlin . .. would the US have done it

    Greetings . . . I know this is a what if . . .but dang it it is an extremely interesting problem.

    If available would the US have dropped the bomb on Germany to end the war if the war had gone on long enough?

    Edit: The US didn't have a problem, or much of one, incinerating German cities with the help of England . . . so I think ya, probably.
    Last edited by TDurden; 13 Aug 14, 14:36.
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    That was the plan from the very beginning to use it on Germany.
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    • #3
      In 1942 SecWar Stimson told General Groves, if the war could be ended one day sooner by faster production of a working atomic bomb, "save that day."

      Absolutely, yes. The assumption behind the "no" answer - "We would not have bombed Berlin because Germans are whiter than Japanese" - has no credible historical support.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by RichardS View Post
        That was the plan from the very beginning to use it on Germany.
        Didn't remember that. Guess I have to re-read my atomic bomb history
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        • #5
          Originally posted by TDurden View Post
          ...The US didn't have a problem...incinerating German cities with the help of England...
          For the most part, the USAF in Europe dropped high explosive munitions in daylight bombing runs; the British, flying at night, preferred the incendiaries, possibly since the Germans had used incendiaries on the British earlier in the war.

          Whether the atomic bomb would have been used in Europe is, as you state, speculation, but my money says Truman would have given thought to it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TDurden View Post
            Didn't remember that. Guess I have to re-read my atomic bomb history
            There is an interesting Der Spiegel [Online] International article:

            Remembering Hiroshima: The Bomb that Was Meant for Hitler

            By Klaus Wiegrefe

            Sixty years ago, US President Harry Truman ordered the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. It was a weapon of unprecedented power, and one that changed the face of warfare and international politics forever.

            Google the title to find the article.

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            • #7
              Not to have used the bomb as soon as it became available (in the case of both Germany and Japan) would have meant a huge reversal in intent, especially given the absolutely enormous cost in time, money and resources needed to develop it.


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              • #8
                Truman and the Hiroshima Cult has some interesting information on this topic.
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                • #9
                  The conventional bombings from Hamburg to Dresden were rather harsh affairs themselves, I do not think they would have hesitated using a nuclear bomb. I wonder, where people aware what a big deal the atomic bomb was, or was it to them "just" a super-explosive?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Acheron View Post
                    The conventional bombings from Hamburg to Dresden were rather harsh affairs themselves, I do not think they would have hesitated using a nuclear bomb. I wonder, where people aware what a big deal the atomic bomb was, or was it to them "just" a super-explosive?
                    I have searched extensively and not found a citation for any "force multiplier" that involved radiation or "fall out". I would be happy to see such if found, please.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Acheron View Post
                      The conventional bombings from Hamburg to Dresden were rather harsh affairs themselves, I do not think they would have hesitated using a nuclear bomb. I wonder, where people aware what a big deal the atomic bomb was, or was it to them "just" a super-explosive?
                      There were lots of theories about it. Everything from dud to causing the end of the earth via, I think, initiating an unstoppable chain reaction.

                      After the successful testing of the weapon I believe they knew for certain it was more than just a super explosive.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by D1J1 View Post
                        There were lots of theories about it. Everything from dud to causing the end of the earth via, I think, initiating an unstoppable chain reaction.

                        After the successful testing of the weapon I believe they knew for certain it was more than just a super explosive.

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                        Absolutely right, but ignorant of all the nasty details, eh
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                        Army Officer: "Mr. Singer. What an appropriate name for a man who can't shut up."
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                        • #13
                          If the invasion of the Japanese mainland had taken place, there were plans to use atomic bombs as 'battlefield weapons' and would have had U.S. forces moving through irradiated landscapes. So I guess the planners had little or no idea about the radiation effects.

                          However, the time between the first test at Los Alamos and the actual use of the bomb was so short, there was very little time to do any conclusive study to measure the effects of the radiation left behind by the explosion.


                          Philip
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PhilipLaos View Post
                            If the invasion of the Japanese mainland had taken place, there were plans to use atomic bombs as 'battlefield weapons' and would have had U.S. forces moving through irradiated landscapes. So I guess the planners had little or no idea about the radiation effects.
                            There are pictures of Groves and Oppenheimer standing at Ground Zero of the Trinity Test. After it went off, of course.
                            However, the time between the first test at Los Alamos and the actual use of the bomb was so short, there was very little time to do any conclusive study to measure the effects of the radiation left behind by the explosion.


                            Philip
                            The USSBS guy visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki in October, and they didn't bother getting radiation levels IIRC.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TDurden View Post
                              Didn't remember that. Guess I have to re-read my atomic bomb history
                              Nor do I or "The Children of the Manhattan Project"+

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