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  • #46
    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    Then there are the secondary targets. If the first wave gets over Pearl and finds no Battleships, they're more likely to hit the fuel storage, sub pens, and repair facilities, along with other major auxiliary facilities. In short the damage to Pearl itself could be much higher.
    I don't think so. According to the orders:

    3. Targets

    a. The First Attack Units

    The targets for the first group will be limited to about four battleships and four aircraft carriers; the order of targets will be battleships and then aircraft carriers.

    The second group will attack the enemy land-based air strength according to the following assignment:

    The 15 Attack Unit: Hangars and aircraft on Ford Island

    The 16 Attack Unit: Hangars and aircraft on Wheeler Field

    The targets of Fighter Combat Units will be enemy aircraft in the air and on the ground.

    b. The Second Attack Units

    The first group will attack the enemy air bases according to the following assignment:

    The 5 Attack Unit: Aircraft and hangars on Kaneohe, Ford Island and Barbers Point.

    The 6 Attack Unit: Hangars and aircraft on Hickam Field.

    The targets for the second group will be limited to four
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    • #47
      Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
      Another question is, while the BBs were out of action we had several night actions with the Japanese in which the Long Lance torpedo was a bit of a problem for us, and a bit of a surprise. If those older, slow BBs had been around then, would they have turned the tide of some of those actions, or would they have simply been big lumbering targets for the Japanese torpedomen, and gone down off Guadalcanal and other places instead of our Cruisers bearing the brunt of the torpedo hits during those battles?
      Which ones had FC radar then?
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      • #48
        The boats with the best radar were the Atlanta and Juneau. The rest had varying radar sets. The problem is the best radar sets were in the middle of the battle line. The American Admiral let the Japanese get too close as well.

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        • #49
          Would the Japanese really have pressed home their attack if they encountered significant resistance? They were a long way from home and if their first wave runs into say 50 plus p40s and p36s and is heavily disrupted wouldn't they just recall the second wave and had home to Japan?

          Did Japanese have any prepared contingency plans to enact if their attack was discovered early?
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Surrey View Post
            Would the Japanese really have pressed home their attack if they encountered significant resistance? They were a long way from home and if their first wave runs into say 50 plus p40s and p36s and is heavily disrupted wouldn't they just recall the second wave and had home to Japan?
            There's a scene in "Tora, Tora, Tora" where officers are outraged at the idea of being recalled if diplomatic talks with the US were successful. I believe that adequately conveys their attitude. It's the attitude that got Japan in trouble in the first place, "we will fight regardless of what the politicians say or do."
            Did Japanese have any prepared contingency plans to enact if their attack was discovered early?
            Their orders were to press home the attack even if they were discovered, if that happened within 24 hours of the planned time of the attack. So the attack was "go" from Saturday morning.

            On a side note, Yamamoto is claimed to have been upset that the attack happened before the "declaration of war" (which it wasn't) was delivered. I've found only one reference made by the Admiral about this, a brief grouse and nothing more.
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