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  • China & North Korea Vs. South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and Philippines 2014

    China sends 50,000 Paratroopers and 1,000 fighter planes with 100 refueling planes each to Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines, concentrating on Luzon, Honshu and Formosa.
    Simultaneously, mega container ships loaded with 50,000 Chinese troops in containers dock at several ports in each of these countries and capture the ports, so troop transports can begin to debark in them.
    Civilian airliners full of Chinese troops arrive in airports in these countries to capture the airports and fly back for more troops.
    Submarines and planes attack the warships.
    Hackers disable the defense computer systems of these countries and saboteurs and paratroopers disable or capture the RR, key bridges, water systems, power stations, etc,
    The troops are supported by planes, helicopters and hundreds of thousands of rockets. Attack helicopters are used instead of tanks and large transport helicopters instead of trucks.
    3 million North Koreans invade South Korea across the border and in several amphibious operations and continuous paratroop drops.
    Russia does not participate in the war, but issues a warning to the US, stating that if the US declares war on China and North Korea and mobilizes large numbers of ships, planes and troops into the area, Russia will declare war on the US.

    Not only do the Chinese have huge numbers of inexpensive, accurate and powerful missiles, but have developed excellent anti-missile rockets and have them in large numbers.

    The first day 660,000 Chinese and North Korean casualties are counted, but key positions and assets are captured or destroyed. The US sends carriers to the region, but does not declare war nor mobilize in mass, for it knows that its economy will not survive a war against China and the USSR.
    Last edited by Draco; 28 Feb 14, 23:34.

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    Then suddenly the Slavs and Mongols appear.
    Through Manchuria endless streams of T-62s, T-64, T-72, T-90s, BMPs and BTRs start their advance towards Beijing. Major bridges and locations are first captured by VDV and Marines near coast. Brigade upon Brigade of Finest soldiers Russia utterly decapitate northern front of Chinese, killing thousands and capturing disorientated and routed troops in large numbers.

    Russian Missiles,Strategic and Tactical Bombers make havoc across the China. As Chinese fleet sorties towards Philippines and Japan, death ascends upon them. Hundred Backfires launching their missiles utterly destroy the Chinese Fleet and sending Chinese Navy to disarray. All major infrastructure facilities are bombed and destroyed, leaving Chine without electricity and communications.

    As Tank Corps make their way to south, Corps of VDV make para drop to Beijing. Bloody fighting starts as millions of Chinese militia descend upon VDV. Casualties are huge as Elite VDV massacres the Militia, but Militia did whats their mission was, deny the advance of VDV. As more Chinese reinforcements started to appear situation for VDV seemed grim.

    Suddenly, Finns arrived!

    As VDV was holding their last defense line, Chinese fleets grumble upon death and fire delivered by Superior Finnish Artillery of Karjalan Tykistörykmentti. VDV cheered as Panssarijääkärit raced through their positions in their CV-90 blasting Finlandia through speakers, Erikoisrajajääkärit and Laskuvarjojääkärit lead the way towards Chinese HQ, but in the end it was 3. Kenttätykistöpatteri who won the day. Mortarmen of 3.KT assaulted straight through the Elite Red Guard troops taking no casualties in the progress and planting flag of Finland over Forbidden Palace. It was said that single AMOS devastated whole Chinese Tank Corp which was trying to relieve the city. Several heroes and legends were born that day, one describing a Lieutenant with always perfect hair and a First Lieutenant who doesn't give a ****.

    In the end of the day, Finns liberated all the booze and got drunk. And while there was a victory, pioneers still suck.
    From Devastation - Knights Twilight Warhammer 40,000 Quest
    Rear Admiral Sander Van der Zee, Commander of Dutch Far East Theatre
    "There is never enough firepower!"

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    • #3
      Then the zulus rocked up riding sharks with lasers on there heads throwing intercontian balstic spears at the drunk fins and russians.
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      • #4

        Ok so I made some changes based on reality. If you based you're numbers and ideas on reality it would look like this.

        China sends 11,000 Paratroopers and 1,597 fighter planes with 10 refueling planes each to Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines, concentrating on Manila, Tokyo and Taipei.

        Simultaneously, mega container ships loaded with 0 Chinese troops in containers dock at several ports in each of these countries because intelligence in China observed Chinese troops boarding cargo ships and told the US, Japanese, Korean, ROC and Philippine Navies to intercept them.

        Civilian airliners empty of Chinese troops arrive in airports in these countries to capture the airports but don't because intelligence reported Chinese troops boarding airliners and then they don't fly back for more troops because all these airliners were confiscated or turned around.

        Submarines and planes attack the warships but are unsuccessful because foreign intelligence alerted the fleets of possible Chinese activity against their ships. All attacking submarines and planes are destroyed or retreat.

        Hackers are unable to disable the defense computer systems of these countries because foreign hackers have been following them ever since they began hacking. Saboteurs and the 3,667 paratroopers per country fail to disable or capture any RR, key bridges, water systems, power stations, etc.

        The troops are unsupported by planes, helicopters and hundreds of thousands of rockets because the planes are too few and have been shot down, the attack helicopters are out of range and most rockets are too inaccurate or out of range.

        0 million North Koreans invade South Korea across the border and in several amphibious operations and continuous paratroop drops because a massive artillery barrage hits them before they are able to mobilize.

        Russia does not participate in the war, but issues a warning to China and North Korea and mobilizes a few ships, planes and troops into the area, Russia won't declare any war but will be poised to intervene if an opportunity from a fallen North Korea or China.

        Not only do the Chinese have large numbers of inexpensive, semi-accurate and strong missiles, but have developed a few untested anti-missile rockets and have them in low numbers.

        The first day 660,000 Chinese and North Korean casualties are counted, and key positions and assets are not captured or destroyed. The US, ROK, Japan, Taiwan and the Philippines sends as many ships as possible to the region and mobilizes in mass, for it knows that China's and North Korea;s economy will not survive a war against US, ROK, Japan, Taiwan and the Philippines.

        Oh by the way your numbers are a bit off.

        China has:
        1,597 total fighters
        10 tankers
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...aval_Air_Force

        The PLAAF can only lift one division of 11,000 men with light tanks and self-propelled artillery with its assets.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15th_Airborne_Corps

        First off, due to the unavailability of tankers and the constant attack from US, ROK, Japanese and ROC fighters, China cannot support any attempt to attack the Philippines. Also its navy is more worried about the US, ROK, Japanese and ROC navies. China has a choice on whether to support North Korea. If they don't, then they can focus on Japan and Taiwan, which means only US, Japanese and ROC fighters to deal with... If China and North Korea do this together, the entire world turns against them. China will be kicked out of the UN and it will be completely isolated except for North Korea, and maybe Iran and Cuba. You can't simply load corps sized formations of infantry onto planes and cargo ships and expect it to go unnoticed. You need vehicles, which will be the first indicator of something going on. If not, then if any of those ships did get there, they would be surrounded by warships, attack helicopters, strike aircraft, tanks, etc.. They would be decimated.
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        • #5
          Russia knows that China will expand and that it makes much more sense to expand against weak enemies than against strong Russia.
          Russia has plenty of land and resources and is not interested in over populated China.

          China wants the territorial waters and land of the Philippines, the Industry of Japan, Taiwan and Korea.

          The only hope for the Philippines is India, Indonesia and Malaya. The questions are: are they willing to fight, to do it concertedly and can they mobilize fast enough? Chamberlain and Daladier declared war on Hitler, but Poland fell before they attacked Germany.

          Intelligence is a bitch.
          Hitler had no clue about the large numbers of T-34s and KV-1 (about the same number of PZ III and IV he had), nor even the true number of Soviet divisions or the existence of Katyushas or 76 mm AT guns before Barbarossa.
          The US had no clue about huge Yamato until it was too late, the whereabouts of a large fleet before Pearl Harbor, the battle of the bulge or the thousands of Jap planes in caves ready to be used as Kamikazes during the invasion of the mainland. Hell they didn't even know about hundreds of Muslim terrorists preparing in American pilot schools.

          How can Intelligence know if the Chinese have 10,000 fighters, attack helicopters and transport helicopters underground?

          The Russians appear to have the best intelligence (they informed Clinton about Obama, etc,). But if they decide to allow the Chinese to expand to the east and South, that intelligence will not reach Japan, Taiwan or the Philippines.

          Regarding shipping, China and Korea can capture considerable resources as soon as they attack.

          Japanese i& German ndustry, population, food production, etc, were ridiculous in WW II, yet the US, GB, Canada, USSR, etc, took years to defeat them. Chinese industry, population, grain production, etc, are colossal, and if China acquires Japanese and Taiwanese Industry and N. Korea acquires S. Korean Industry, Red Asia becomes a formidable foe.
          Last edited by Draco; 01 Mar 14, 11:24.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Draco View Post
            The US had no clue about huge Yamato until it was too late.
            Too late for what? The age of the battleship was over except for escorting carriers and shore bombardment.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by andrewza View Post
              Then the zulus rocked up riding sharks with lasers on there heads throwing intercontian balstic spears at the drunk fins and russians.
              South Africa has those? I mean what could be worse than Zulus riding sharks with laser beams on their heads!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                Too late for what? The age of the battleship was over except for escorting carriers and shore bombardment.
                Had Yamamoto sailed toward Midway in Yamato, with the other BBs and CAs, with the carriers (including Zuiho, Ryujo, Junyo and Zuikaku) 250 km behind them (providing air cover from a safe distance), the BBs would have taken a few hits, but Midway and the 3 US carriers would have been lost.
                Cruisers were still useful, Yamamoto just didn't used them well. He took a huge fleet to Midway and only a tiny part were involved in thebattle and the most valuable carriers lost. Each BB and CA had several scout planes and would have detected the US carriers.
                Mitscher placed the Battleships, etc, ahead of the carriers in Saipan, he had more sense than Yamamoto.

                Besides, the point is that if Japan with a ridiculous industry could build unnoticed a huge BB, China with its huge territory and industry can certainly build thousands of fighters, helicopters, refueling planes, etc, unnoticed.
                Last edited by Draco; 01 Mar 14, 11:40.

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                • #9
                  How would the IJN BB's get within 15 miles of the US carriers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Draco View Post
                    Besides, the point is that if Japan with a ridiculous industry could build unnoticed a huge BB, China with its huge territory and industry can certainly build thousands of fighters, helicopters, refueling planes, etc, unnoticed.
                    You're right. It's not like surveillance technology has advanced in any way since 1941. If only we had some kind of magical eyes in space that could see anywhere on earth.
                    "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                      How would the IJN BB's get within 15 miles of the US carriers?
                      1) the BB's scout planes detect the US carriers as they approach Midway to shell it. Midway planes have to attack the BB's, but the 500 lb bombs of the SB2Us, faulty torpedoes, etc, don't do much damage on the armoured ships. The slow SB2Us, Buffaloes, etc, are shot down by the AAA and carrier planes covering them or destroyed on the ground by shelling, along with the destruction of the coastal guns, AAA, etc,

                      2) All the Jap carrier planes are armed with torpedoes and AP bombs, since the capital ships will destroy Midway. As soon as the scout planes find the American carriers, they launch a massive wave to sink them and the fast CAs and destroyers and subs head toward them to sink any damaged surviving carriers and their escort ships.

                      Zuikaku has the few surviving planes from the Coral Sea (Shokaku's and her own, the most experienced and angry Jap pilots), plus some planes from Kaga and Akagi. Zuikaku allows faster launching of the initial wave and provides additional fuel, bombs, torpedoes, mechanics, AAA, medical facilities, scout planes, etc, It was a colossal blunder to leave her in Japan, just like the blunder of leaving the capital ships and Zuiho behind and sending 4 fleet carriers in the vanguard. And the blunder of sending Ryujo and Junyo to fart around in Alaska, with reduced plane complements.
                      Last edited by Draco; 01 Mar 14, 12:20.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                        You're right. It's not like surveillance technology has advanced in any way since 1941. If only we had some kind of magical eyes in space that could see anywhere on earth.
                        Right, Obama was cought overnight, so the Chinese stand no chance of building planes underground or in mountain caves in Tibet.
                        The shoe bomber was also cought by satellite intelligence when he repeatedly tried lo light up his shoe with a match in an airplane.
                        Last edited by Draco; 01 Mar 14, 12:16.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Draco View Post
                          1) the BB's scout planes detect the US carriers as they approach Midway to shell it. Midway planes have to attack the BB's, but the 500 lb bombs of the SB2Us, faulty torpedoes, etc, don't do much damage on the armoured ships. The slow SB2Us, Buffaloes, etc, are shot down by the AAA and carrier planes covering them or destroyed on the ground by shelling, along with the destruction of the coastal guns, AAA, etc,

                          2) All the Jap carrier planes are armed with torpedoes and AP bombs, since the capital ships will destroy Midway. As soon as the scout planes find the American carriers, they launch a massive wave to sink them and the fast CAs and destroyers and subs head toward them to sink any damaged surviving carriers and their escort ships.

                          Zuikaku has the few surviving planes from the Coral Sea (Shokaku's and her own, the most experienced and angry Jap pilots), plus some planes from Kaga and Akagi. Zuikaku allows faster launching of the initial wave and provides additional fuel, bombs, torpedoes, mechanics, AAA, medical facilities, scout planes, etc, It was a colossal blunder to leave her in Japan, just like the blunder of leaving the capital ships behind and sending the carriers in the vanguard. And the blunder of sending Ryujo and Junyo to fart around in Alaska.
                          The Catalinas with their much longer range would find the Japanese fleet first...just like they did in real life.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                            The Catalinas with their much longer range would find the Japanese fleet first...just like they did in real life.
                            The Americans already know from what direction the Japs are comming and at what time (intelligence), it's surprising that the Catalinas took off so late and found them so late.

                            The Japs had few scout planes and precisely the one that found the carriers left late, because of malfunctions. The first Jap wave was wasted bombing Midway, before the American carrier planes attacked the Jap carriers. In this case the 1 wave is ready with torpedoes and AP bombs. Had all the scout planes of the capital ships (some CAs had 6 or 7 planes) searched the area as they approached Midway, the American fleet would have been found sooner. By separating the fleet, Yamamoto could not use dozens of scout planes to look for US carriers.

                            What's the logic of leaving behind heavily armored BBs and CAs with lots of scout planes and sending in the vanguard the invaluable and vulnerable CVs?

                            Despite the Catalinas, the Americans lost track of the Jap CVs and many of their planes got lost. With a large fleet of BBs. CA, DDs, etc, and twice as many carriers with a larger CAP, many planes would have attacked BBs, instead of carriers (like the SB2Us from Midway did), reducing greatly the probability of a Jap carrier being damaged or sunk.
                            In contrast, Yorktown was damaged only by a few planes from Hiryu, the smallest carrier and attacking without coordination. With a massive Japanese first wave in a coordinated attack, all 3 US carriers are repidly damaged and cannot launch planes, they are doomed.
                            Last edited by Draco; 01 Mar 14, 12:42.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Draco View Post
                              What's the logic of leaving behind heavily armored BBs and CAs with lots of scout planes and sending in the vanguard the invaluable and vulnerable CVs?
                              What could the BB's and CA's have done? The only thing the carriers were vulnerable to were American planes. Their added AA fire wouldn't have been enough to make a difference.
                              Last edited by johns624; 01 Mar 14, 14:04.

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