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  • Any medieval nation or state that might had been open towards atheism?

    My guess would be the Mongols since they were wery religiously tolerant for their age.
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    Originally posted by Emmajin Beki View Post
    My guess would be the Mongols since they were wery religiously tolerant for their age.
    Iceland had a lot of atheists at the time.

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    • #3
      Religious tolerance is different from Atheism. The Persians were religiously tolerant. That doesn't make them Atheist. The Mongols likewise were tolerant in this respect so long as the taxes were paid and nobody tried to revolt...

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        I did not say there were enough atheists so this could be issue, but this is the what if board.
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          china and india
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Emmajin Beki View Post
            My guess would be the Mongols since they were wery religiously tolerant for their age.
            Nope. Genghis had a religious revelation that the world had been promised to him. He was tolerant because it was politically astute to do so, and interested in all religions because he saw them as many faces of the one truth (and possibly that he was hedging his bets).

            I seem to remember seeing something about a decree that went along the lines of 'You can worship who you want but you must include prayers for the Great Khan'.

            Different, but hardly atheist.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by andrewza View Post
              china and india
              Hardly! How many Hindu Gods are there? buddhism started in India.

              China???

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                Hardly! How many Hindu Gods are there? buddhism started in India.

                China???

                the question is
                "Any medieval nation or state that might had been open towards atheism?"

                Focuses on might

                India had many religions and depend on the king, area and time would be ruled by someone who does not mind what religion you follow or not follow.

                Your pie chart is not medieval. But again same has india.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  Religious tolerance is different from Atheism. The Persians were religiously tolerant. That doesn't make them Atheist. The Mongols likewise were tolerant in this respect so long as the taxes were paid and nobody tried to revolt...
                  Pretty sure that Gibbons mentions several massacres of Christians by the Persian Empire. They weren't that tolerant.
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                  • #10
                    First question: Any states that did not require their subjects to adhere to a particular religion?
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                    • #11
                      Mongol Empire.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
                        First question: Any states that did not require their subjects to adhere to a particular religion?
                        Very few European medevial *states* imposed a religion on their subjects, of course since the pope claimed and exercised supremacy over spiritual matters regardless of "nationality" it mattered little.

                        In fact even "national" leaders were excommunicated when their rulings in wordly affairs did not coincide with papal views on the matter.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                          Very few European medevial *states* imposed a religion on their subjects, of course since the pope claimed and exercised supremacy over spiritual matters regardless of "nationality" it mattered little.

                          In fact even "national" leaders were excommunicated when their rulings in wordly affairs did not coincide with papal views on the matter.
                          As the only state that was officially pagan in the middle ages was Lithuania, it may be the only candidate for going atheist. If you're going to reject a multiplicity of gods, why not go the whole hog and reject all gods.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                            china and india
                            INDIA????

                            That subcontinent was a religion factory. Being the official go between kingdoms between China and the west they had a metric a**load of culture shoulder rubbing and it showed.

                            China.....I would put them on a more deist path. Confucianism and Legalism could jive with that.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                              the question is
                              "Any medieval nation or state that might had been open towards atheism?"

                              Focuses on might

                              India had many religions and depend on the king, area and time would be ruled by someone who does not mind what religion you follow or not follow.

                              Your pie chart is not medieval. But again same has india.
                              Ahh, we have a differing of interpretations. You saw "open to" as "tolerant of" where as I saw "open to" as "evolving into".

                              In that case it depends. Indian kingdoms had a hard core caste system and Hinduism and it's spinoffs mostly kept that in business. You needed the low castes to be accepting of being dirt poor laborers hence karma. Atheism, with it's "this life is all we have" mentality would be incapable of convincing the low castes to sit there and take it. No karmic buyoff of a better life next time. Atheism would likely cause a Category 5 ****storm. It would not be tolerated by the powers that be and would likely end in a bloodbath with either the atheists or priest and soldier class being totally put to the sword.
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