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  • What should Britain have done to stay a first rate power?

    What alternate choices could Britain have madeto stay a first rate power?
    22
    Stayed out of world war 1
    9.09%
    2
    Stayed out of world war 2
    4.55%
    1
    Opposed all independence movements in the Empire after 1945
    0.00%
    0
    Sided with the Confederate states
    4.55%
    1
    Conquered the USA in 1812
    4.55%
    1
    Created an Imperial Federation of the Dominions
    9.09%
    2
    Gave the Americans seats at Westminister in the 1770's
    22.73%
    5
    Declared war on America in 1895 over the Venezuela dispute
    0.00%
    0
    Preserved the Union with Ireland.
    0.00%
    0
    Other (please state)
    45.45%
    10

  • #2
    Imperial Federation has issues, but it's by far the best option on the list.
    Diadochi Rising Wargame:
    King Pairisades I of the Bosporan Kingdom

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    • #3
      Britain could not remain a 'First Rate Power'.
      Signing out.

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      • #4
        Not trying to play world police in 1914.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bierbaron View Post
          Not trying to play world police in 1914.
          Just so a massively more powerful Germany, backed by the other Central Powers, can tell it to roll over and play dead come 1920ish?
          Diadochi Rising Wargame:
          King Pairisades I of the Bosporan Kingdom

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          • #6
            It's important to remember that Britain was already slipping as a 'power' even before 1900 and this was recognised at the time -

            "Far-called our navies melt away—
            On dune and headland sinks the fire—
            Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
            Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!"

            (Extract from 'Recessional' by Rudyard Kipling [1897])
            Signing out.

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            • #7
              In a world with nations of 100 - 200 million inhabitants, to say nothing of China, it was simply impossible for Britain, with about 45 million people, to remain a first rate power for more than a few decades.

              In othe words, I voted "other", intending to vote "none".

              Regards,

              KDF

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              • #8
                Other. Was not possible.

                As others have said Britain's relative position was slipping even before ww1. It is simply a matter of economics. To maintain prominence Britain had to be richer than any country in terms of GDP. Navies and armies cost money.

                On the other hand In absolute terms Britain is much richer now than it was in 1900, just over countries are rich as well. Britain hasn't so much fallen behind rather that other countries have caught up.
                "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                • #9
                  Had the British entered the American civil war and help the Confederates achieve victory out main rival for the number one position would have been broken up.
                  Our Empire ensured we could remain ahead of Germany and the other European powers.
                  That leaves China which at the time could quite easily have been divided up by the European powers and Japan.

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                  • #10
                    Huh no, with America broken up Britain's position wouldn't have been ensured.

                    There'd still be Germany, Russia / the USSR and Japan to challenge it's position of power.

                    Regards,

                    KDF

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KDF33 View Post
                      Huh no, with America broken up Britain's position wouldn't have been ensured.

                      There'd still be Germany, Russia / the USSR and Japan to challenge it's position of power.

                      Regards,

                      KDF
                      The Empire would ensure we remained ahead of Germany and Japan.
                      If we avoided world war 1 Russia would be a much reduced state.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Philip F View Post
                        The Empire would ensure we remained ahead of Germany and Japan.
                        How so?

                        If we avoided world war 1 Russia would be a much reduced state.
                        If Britain avoided WWI, Russia might well have been a "much reduced state", but then Germany would have been a "much augmented state". I don't see how this is to the UK's gain.

                        Regards,

                        KDF

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                        • #13
                          How so?
                          The resources and manpower of the Empire was far greater than anything Germany or Japan could muster.

                          If Britain avoided WWI, Russia might well have been a "much reduced state", but then Germany would have been a "much augmented state". I don't see how this is to the UK's gain.
                          Germany would be only slightly larger than it was in 1914.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Philip F View Post
                            The resources and manpower of the Empire was far greater than anything Germany or Japan could muster.
                            That's not true. Germany had a much larger steel output than Britain, for instance, and steel is the basic war-industrial commodity.

                            As for population, what good did the millions of subjects of the Empire do to Britain? Only an insignificant fraction could be mobilized for war.

                            Germany would be only slightly larger than it was in 1914.
                            Huh? Germany would control continental Europe. How is that "slightly larger" than in 1914?

                            Regards,

                            KDF

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KDF33 View Post
                              That's not true. Germany had a much larger steel output than Britain, for instance, and steel is the basic war-industrial commodity.

                              As for population, what good did the millions of subjects of the Empire do to Britain? Only an insignificant fraction could be mobilized for war.



                              Huh? Germany would control continental Europe. How is that "slightly larger" than in 1914?

                              Regards,

                              KDF
                              Britain had enough steel production for its needs and with the Empire behind it it has more money than Germany to pay for anymore it needs from abroad.
                              Germany of course by winning world war 1 will have no more control over Europe than it does today.
                              The states around it will still be independent.

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