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  • #16
    Originally posted by tigersqn View Post
    That's an odd statement, considering Franco did not comply with Hitler's wishes.
    What happened to him after that ?
    Hitler turned his attentions East.
    If he had pushed the matter Franco would have had no choice but to comply.
    Of course Franco was much keener to enter the war in the summer of 1940 than later in the year after the Italian set backs.
    But either way the choice was Hitler's.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Philip F View Post
      Got a book here by Kenneth Macksey who proposed just that.
      I cant see it working myself.
      It all comes down to the German failure to maintain supply to its forced who landed in England.
      Yes i have the book called Invasion 1940.

      However Operation Sealion was drawn up at the last minute and never fully embraced by Hitler, if you read the Fuhrerdirective for Operation Sealion, Hitler vacillated over Britian.

      As the German troops marched into Poland, Hitler should have already had both Fall Gelb and Sealion well in the planning stages and troops and assets assigned trained in amphibious assault and not getting sidetracked with Norway with the loss of too many vital ships for the Invasion Fleet.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Roddoss72 View Post
        As the German troops marched into Poland, Hitler should have already had both Fall Gelb and Sealion well in the planning stages and troops and assets assigned trained in amphibious assault and not getting sidetracked with Norway with the loss of too many vital ships for the Invasion Fleet.
        This requires a degree of hindsight that defies plausibility. Beyond that, no amount of planning would give Seelöwe even passable chances of success.

        As for Norway, it wasn't a diversion but a necessity. Forsaking Weserübung meant losing Swedish iron ore.

        Regards,

        KDF
        Last edited by KDF33; 07 Nov 13, 14:05.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Roddoss72 View Post
          Yes i have the book called Invasion 1940.

          However Operation Sealion was drawn up at the last minute and never fully embraced by Hitler, if you read the Fuhrerdirective for Operation Sealion, Hitler vacillated over Britian.

          As the German troops marched into Poland, Hitler should have already had both Fall Gelb and Sealion well in the planning stages and troops and assets assigned trained in amphibious assault and not getting sidetracked with Norway with the loss of too many vital ships for the Invasion Fleet.
          I meant to put this on the list but only had ten spots.
          But I do think even with no operations in Norway (which likely would have been a better thing) that the Germans still did not have the transport shipping to supply an invasion.
          Hitler himself did not see this as a missed opportunity.
          He would have been better to drive through Spain in the summer of 1940 and capture Gibraltar then bring everything the Italians had and the Mediterranean had merchant wise and send it to support a late September invasion of Britain.
          Protection for the shipping movements to France and Northern Spain could have been provided by the Stuka's and Bf110's which did not prove much use in the Battle of Britain.
          I think that would be the best chance to invade and conquer Britain.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by KDF33 View Post
            This requires a degree of hindsight that defies plausibility. Beyond that, no amount of planning would give Seelöwe even passable chances of success.

            As for Norway, it wasn't a diversion but a necessity. Forsaking Weserübung meant losing Swedish iron ore.

            Regards,

            KDF
            Initially losing the iron ore but the invasion could still have come later which may well have brought Sweden and Norway onto the Axis side.
            Sweden would have been very useful.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by KDF33 View Post
              This requires a degree of hindsight that defies plausibility. Beyond that, no amount of planning would give Seelöwe even passable chances of success.

              As for Norway, it wasn't a diversion but a necessity. Forsaking Weserübung meant losing Swedish iron ore.

              Regards,

              KDF
              No it doesn't. Hitler was gearing up for war, when Hitler calls for plans to invade Poland in May 1939, the Fuhrer also calls for plans to include both France and Britian if they declare war on Germany. That gives the Germans a full 12 months to build up, this includes training amphibious troops, building landing craft, and so on.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by AdrianE View Post
                Other: starting it in the first place
                +1

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                • #23
                  Three steps to disaster

                  Not having *good long range bombers and fighters to successfully attack England. The 110s and Stukas couldn't get the job done. The 109s could only stay a few minutes over London.
                  The bombers had some medium range but needed fighter protection.

                  The situation in Russia was even worse; Der Fuhrer attacked the Soviet Union *before he defeated Britain. This was a strategic blunder; the Germans were already engaged in Afrika.

                  Then, to top the blunder situation, he decides to support Japan and declare war on USA, a nation that was trying to stay neutral.

                  In the '37 to '40 period, Hitler rolled all sevens. After that he continually "crapped out!"

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                  • #24
                    Other : other than starting it in the 1st place, using the Jews as a convenient scapegoat and attempting genocide with them rather than using them as citizens/soldiers. If the genocide had never happened and he had motivated them as well as the rest of the Reichs citizens, it would have meant many more troops and even better weapons, possibly even owning the 1st nuclear weapon.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Philip F View Post
                      What was Hitlers greatest mistake of world war 2?
                      What makes you think Hitler made any mistakes?

                      More importantly, what makes you believe that even if he had chosen differently, those on the receiving end of the choice would have reacted the same?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by broderickwells View Post
                        What makes you think Hitler made any mistakes?

                        More importantly, what makes you believe that even if he had chosen differently, those on the receiving end of the choice would have reacted the same?
                        Anyone with the slightest knowledge of history know his mistakes. As for others acting differently, you can act in many ways but it quite often will not save you.

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                        • #27
                          It's too late to add a choice, but I'd like to vote for:

                          He thought he could get away with it.

                          Regards
                          Scott Fraser
                          Ignorance is not the lack of knowledge. It is the refusal to learn.

                          A contentedly cantankerous old fart

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Scott Fraser View Post
                            It's too late to add a choice, but I'd like to vote for:

                            He thought he could get away with it.

                            Regards
                            Scott Fraser
                            Get away with what?

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                            • #29
                              I just voted for Attacking the Soviet Union. But i nearly voted for Other because IMO it is a close thing to Fighting the BoB.
                              The BoB cost the Germans over 2500 Aircraft and experienced Pilots... Those Aircraft/Pilots could IMO have made all the difference in Barbarossa.

                              In fact i think the biggest mistake was that the Germans were always assuming that it would be a short war. That there never was a Plan B.
                              For nothing! Not for the case that the UK refuses peace and not for a failure of Barbarossa (even not after June 22th when they knew that they were at least a month behind the original schedule).
                              One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Philip F View Post
                                Get away with what?
                                Starting a war, silly.

                                Regards
                                Scott Fraser
                                Ignorance is not the lack of knowledge. It is the refusal to learn.

                                A contentedly cantankerous old fart

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