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  • U.S. Kills bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, Mohammed Atef, and KSM in 1998

    The United States kills Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Mohammed Atef, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in late 1998.

    Does 9/11 happen?

    Does Operation Iraqi Freedom occur?

    Bonus round (separating this one, because it has political considerations, but I think it is still relevant militarily because the problem of terrorism is deeply intertwined with politics on both sides of the coin.):

    Do civil liberties in the United States experience the changes of the past 13 years?

  • #2
    Why were they killed in 1998? By whom, if that matters?
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
      Why were they killed in 1998? By whom, if that matters?
      Why:

      The aforementioned al Qaida leaders were killed following the attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The targeting was based on the roles performed within the al Qaida organization - for example, Osama bin Laden was not targeted for being Osama bin Laden, but rather for being the senior leader of the al Qaida network. Ayman al-Zawahiri was targeted because of his role as second in command of the network and first in the line of succession. Atef and KSM were targeted for their roles as senior operational planners and coordinators in the network.

      Destroying these nodes in the al Qaida network was expected to produce the following outcomes:

      -A: Disruption of near-term enemy courses of action. (Preventing additional attacks that may have been in the works.)

      -B: Disruption of the internal dynamics of the network. (Cause sudden, unplanned activity among other network members as they seek to assume the vacated roles and to address disrupted courses of action. Such activity may produce opportunities to develop additional targets within al Qaida.)

      Who (kills them):

      The United States Government

      How:

      Let's assume direct action by special operations forces. Assume two American fatalities. Assume ten foreign nationals killed, beyond the intended targets. You could change these parameters (the means, the costs), and even throw in political fall-out in the country or countries where this happens, but I am presently considering the effects of these parameters to be dominated by the question of how well these actions achieve their purpose (A and B, above).

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      • #4
        Unfortunately, another fundamentalist, anti-Western, anti-Shia, anti-intellectual, wowser sect committed to ensuring everyone who doesn't share their views gets killed would arise in nothing flat. 9/11 and the Afghan intervention probably won't occur, but there would be something similar.

        Operation Iraqi Freedom would occur at some point - possibly in conjunction with a Russian sponsored Operation Syrian Freedom. Provided both sides were agreed to be rid of such embarrassments during the Arab Spring.

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        • #5
          Afghan intervention probably won't occur, but there would be something similar.
          It's the way of Empires.
          texjoy861 from youtube:

          "Aaron Sorkin writes like a limousine liberal version of Ayn Rand. None of the characters sound remotely like human beings."

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