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What if Great Britain did not return Louisbourg to the French in 1748?

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  • #16
    It is July 8, 1758. The Battle of Carillon/The 1758 Battle of Ticonderoga is fought at the southern tip of Lake Champlain. There are about 3,600 French and allies and 18,000 British and allies. The French win a tremendous victory, exactly as actually happened. Link to Wikipedia article below, then a picture of the fort and an excerpt regarding the British generalship.

    The Battle of Carillon, also known as the 1758 Battle of Ticonderoga,[4] was fought on July 8, 1758, during the French and Indian War (which was part of the global Seven Years War). It was fought near Fort Carillon (now known as Fort Ticonderoga) on the shore of Lake Champlain in the frontier area between the British colony of New York and the French colony of Canada.
    In the battle, which took place primarily on a rise about three-quarters of a mile (one km) from the fort itself, a French army of about 4,000 men under General Louis-Joseph de Montcalm and the Chevalier de Levis decisively defeated an overwhelmingly numerically superior force of British troops under General James Abercrombie, which frontally assaulted an entrenched French position without using field artillery. The battle was the bloodiest of the war, with over 3,000 casualties suffered, of which over 2,000 were British.[5]
    American historian Lawrence Henry Gipson wrote of Abercrombie's campaign that "no military campaign was ever launched on American soil that involved a greater number of errors of judgment on the part of those in positions of responsibility".[6] Many military historians have cited the Battle of Carillon as a classic example of tactical military incompetence.[7] Abercrombie, confident of a quick victory, ignored several viable military options, such as flanking the French breastworks, waiting for his artillery, or laying siege to the fort. Instead, relying on a flawed report from a young military engineer, and ignoring some of that engineer's recommendations, he decided in favor of a direct frontal assault on the thoroughly entrenched French, without the benefit of artillery. Montcalm, while concerned about the weak military position of the fort, conducted the defense with spirit. However, due in part to a lack of time, he committed strategic errors in preparing the area's defenses that a competent attacker could have exploited, and he made tactical errors that made the attacker's job easier.
    The fort, abandoned by its garrison, was captured by the British the following year, and it has been known as Fort Ticonderoga (after its location) ever since. This battle gave the fort a reputation for impregnability that had an effect on future military operations in the area. Despite several large-scale military movements through the area, in both the French and Indian War and the American Revolutionary War, this was the only major battle fought near the fort's location.

    wikipedia article - Fort Ticonderoga
    Last edited by lakechampainer; 16 Feb 13, 21:43.


    • #17
      It is 1756: In Europe, The Dutch Republic joins the British and Prussian side, as it already has France right on its border, since it's capture of the Austrian Netherlands in 1748.


      • #18
        It is 1761. On the South Asian/Indian/East Indian front, Britain defeats France in the 3rd Carnic War. Britain finally retakes Madras.


        • #19
          It is September 1760. The War in North America is effectively over, as the French have just surrendered Montreal. They surrendered Quebec the previous year after a pitched battle. The English have suffered heavy casualties throughout the war, including huge losses in present-day Northwestern PA when the French drew them into that region. The French and especially their Indian allies obliterated several British units. The British also suffered very heavy casualties at Fort Frontenac, which they did capture. Among other tribes, many of the Senecas, the Lenapes, and Shawnees were involved in these battles at Fort Frontenac and in Northwestern PA.

          Many Indian Tribes are encouraged by their defeats of the English, but discouraged by the loss of their French allies. Indians from all over the battle area and beyond begin to meet to discuss possible co-operation going forward. The British are aware of this, and consult some leading colonists, including Lieutenant Colonel Robert Rogers of Roger's Rangers and Pennsylvania leader Benjamin Franklin, for advice on how to proceed.

          Wikipedia articles on Rogers:

          Last edited by lakechampainer; 24 Feb 13, 20:59.


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