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  • #16
    Thanks for the replies, everyone. Just taking a interest in this hobby and am admittingly a novice on the subject. For example, I had not even heard of Thomas or Cleburne but their mention got me to look them up. Looking forward to more good stuff here on the forums.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Refused Flank View Post
      Thanks for the replies, everyone. Just taking a interest in this hobby and am admittingly a novice on the subject. For example, I had not even heard of Thomas or Cleburne but their mention got me to look them up. Looking forward to more good stuff here on the forums.

      In all seriousness welcome. There are poeple here ranging from very experienced veterans to very highly qualified academics and some very talented people who just love the subject...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Stryker 19K30 View Post
        No, technically he is not. I know what you are saying is tongue in cheek, but it is a really stupid comment people make often and are being serious. Its like saying unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt each and everyone of your ancestors can be traced to the original inhabitants of the British Isles you aren't truly British or English or Welsh or whatever even though those countries didn't even exist when half your ancestors arrived.

        You realize when you say stuff like that you are calling people 'not true Americans' when they certainly are. Where does it end? How far do we go back? Are descendants of the Normans in France 'truly French' ? How about the ones that were in England? Are they truly English? Truly French? Truly Norsemen? What about Russians? Who are truly Russian? Is Istanbul "Truly Turkey" even though it has basically been since 1453?

        Crazy Horse was not an American commander. Period. He has no possibility to claim that title, especially in the context of this thread which says US Army commanders. Never once was he in the United States Army, never once did he swear allegiance to the United States, and he was an enemyu of the United States. In this case American is an adjective meaning commander in the United States Army. So how 'technically' is he the only 'true' American Commander?
        This is supposed to be a fun exercise. A bit of light-hearted fun. Not about whinging & nit-picking. Hows about getting over yourself & getting into the spirit. ACG is choc full of threads where people can whine about their pet peeves. Hows about we don't make this one of them?
        Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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        • #19
          Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
          Well technically Crazy Horse is the only true American military commander in the list.
          Not really, his ancestors just immigrated here earlier than those of the rest listed! And yes, the preceding is meant in humorous vein!

          Regards,
          Dennis
          If stupid was a criminal offense Sea Lion believers would be doing life.

          Shouting out to Half Pint for bringing back the big mugs!

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          • #20
            Washington
            Corps
            =Nat Greene--can't believe no one else mnetioned him
            Longstreet

            Grant
            Corps:
            Sherman
            Longstreet

            Ike
            Corps
            Patton
            A Jackson

            Lee--Robert, that is
            Corps
            Stonewall Jackson
            Eichelberger

            Scott
            Corps
            Taylor
            Thomas

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Stryker 19K30 View Post
              No, technically he is not. I know what you are saying is tongue in cheek, but it is a really stupid comment people make often and are being serious. Its like saying unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt each and everyone of your ancestors can be traced to the original inhabitants of the British Isles you aren't truly British or English or Welsh or whatever even though those countries didn't even exist when half your ancestors arrived.

              You realize when you say stuff like that you are calling people 'not true Americans' when they certainly are. Where does it end? How far do we go back? Are descendants of the Normans in France 'truly French' ? How about the ones that were in England? Are they truly English? Truly French? Truly Norsemen? What about Russians? Who are truly Russian? Is Istanbul "Truly Turkey" even though it has basically been since 1453?

              Crazy Horse was not an American commander. Period. He has no possibility to claim that title, especially in the context of this thread which says US Army commanders. Never once was he in the United States Army, never once did he swear allegiance to the United States, and he was an enemyu of the United States. In this case American is an adjective meaning commander in the United States Army. So how 'technically' is he the only 'true' American Commander?
              Absolutely correct, Stryker 19K30. Crazy Horse was always identified, correctly, as an Oglala Lakota.

              Just as well include Generalissimo Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana in the field as he claimed that Texas and California were actually his rather than America territory.
              "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
              George Mason
              Co-author of the Second Amendment
              during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

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              • #22
                Special Forces :
                William O. Darby -C.O.
                Jeffery Merreil -X.O.
                indivual commders :
                Robert Rogers
                John Stark
                Francis Marion
                Geronamo
                Jeb Stuart
                Daniel Morgan Than You

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by grognard View Post
                  Washington
                  Corps
                  =Nat Greene--can't believe no one else mnetioned him
                  Longstreet

                  Grant
                  Corps:
                  Sherman
                  Longstreet

                  Ike
                  Corps
                  Patton
                  A Jackson

                  Lee--Robert, that is
                  Corps
                  Stonewall Jackson
                  Eichelberger

                  Scott
                  Corps
                  Taylor
                  Thomas
                  I considered Greene, but rejected him in favor of others. Certainly a strong case can be made.

                  I'm not sure why you included Eisenhower. He couldn't get away with being a diplomat as an army commander: he'd have to lead troops in combat. However, Eisenhower never commanded a battalion, let alone division, corps or army in combat. So at best we can guess at how well he would have done.

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                  • #24
                    Some others:

                    13th Army (Not to be deployed before being reflagged and restaffed)
                    GOC - George McClellan
                    XXV Corps - Lloyd Fredendall
                    XXVI Corps - Stephen Van Rensselaer

                    The Army of Overhype
                    GOC - George Patton
                    The Overrated Corps - Phil Sheridan
                    Corps of Media Frenzy - Norman Schwarzkopf

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by The Ibis View Post
                      Some others:

                      13th Army (Not to be deployed before being reflagged and restaffed)
                      GOC - George McClellan
                      XXV Corps - Lloyd Fredendall
                      XXVI Corps - Stephen Van Rensselaer

                      The Army of Overhype
                      GOC - George Patton
                      The Overrated Corps - Phil Sheridan
                      Corps of Media Frenzy - Norman Schwarzkopf

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                        In all seriousness welcome. There are people here ranging from very experienced veterans to very highly qualified academics and some very talented people who just love the subject...
                        And then there are the rest of us! LOL!

                        Pruitt
                        Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                        Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                        by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Ibis View Post
                          I considered Greene, but rejected him in favor of others. Certainly a strong case can be made.

                          I'm not sure why you included Eisenhower. He couldn't get away with being a diplomat as an army commander: he'd have to lead troops in combat. However, Eisenhower never commanded a battalion, let alone division, corps or army in combat. So at best we can guess at how well he would have done.
                          I included Ike because like Lee, he could handle fractitious subordinates and get them to work together. Also, like others I picked he wasn't afraid to make the tough deciusions or accept the responsibility for them.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Refused Flank View Post
                            Mac as an army conmmander? He'd be quarreling with his superiors and moving slowly no matter what, and blaming others for his own failures.

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