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    Due to convenient political machinations that make this scenario happen, the Russian Navy is tasked to prevent a European Union fleet from recapturing on an island the size of Manhattan.

    Assume competent commanders and crews. Weather does not favor one side over the other.

    The Russian forces include:

    Covering Force:
    Kuznetsov battlegroup consisting of Admiral Kuznetsov, Mig 29K airwing, a Slava cruiser, newly refurbished Admiral Nakhimiv (Kirov class), 2 Sovremmney, 4 Udaloy.

    Island airfield consists of 3 squadron (36 aircraft) of Su 27SM2, 2 Beriev AWACS, 12 TU 142 ASW patrol aircraft, and 3 squadrons (36 aircraft) Backfire bombers with heavy anti-ship missiles.

    Strike Force:
    Peter the Great surface action group consisting of Peter the Great, 2 Slava cruisers, 2 Sovremenny, 1 Udaloy II, 4 Udaloy destroyers.

    Sea Denial:
    4 Oscar II SSGN
    8 Akula SSN

    The Euro Fleet consists of:

    Landing Force:
    Mistral/Ocean amphibious force consisting of:
    1.) HMS Ocean
    2.) 2 Mistral class LHD (Mistral and Tonnerre)
    3.) LPDs Siroco and HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark.
    4.) 4 Type 45 destroyers
    5.) Principe de Asturias carrier with harrier airwing
    6.) 2 Alvaro de Bazan Aegis Frigates)
    7.) HMS Illustrious with Merlin helicopters (ASW escort)
    8.) 6 Type 23 frigates

    Covering Force:
    Charles de Gaulle Carrier battle group
    1.) Charles de Gaulle carrier group with Rafale and super entendard airwing.
    2.) 2 Horizon class destroyers (French Navy)
    3.) 2 Type 45 destroyers
    4.) 3 George Leygues class ASW frigates
    5.) 3 Type 23 Frigates

    Cavour Juan Carlos battlegroup
    1.) Italian carrier Cavour with Harrier airgroup
    2.) Juan Carlos carrier with Harrier Airgroup
    3.) 2 Alvaro de Bazan Aegis Frigates
    4.) 2 Horizon class frigates (Italian Navy)
    5.) 3 Sanchen class AAW frigates
    6.) 3 Brandenburg Class Frigates
    7.) 4 Maestrale class ASW frigates

    Sea Denial
    1 Astute SSN
    4 Trafalgar SSN
    3 Rubis SSN

    Who Wins?
    18
    Russian Forces
    44.44%
    8
    Euro Forces
    55.56%
    10

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by IDonT4; 10 Jul 12, 15:43.

  • #2
    Who is on command ? What about the meteo conditions ? Training of the crews ? Just put vessels against each others doesn't works.
    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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    • #3
      The only clarification I would want is the general location of the island.
      North Sea, Baltic, Mediterranean, Black Sea... or way out there somewhere?
      "Why is the Rum gone?"

      -Captain Jack

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
        The only clarification I would want is the general location of the island.
        North Sea, Baltic, Mediterranean, Black Sea... or way out there somewhere?
        Assume no outside influence other than the forces presented and logistics train are sufficient to accomplish the mission.

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        • #5
          That is a huge airbase on that island :/
          Кто там?
          Это я - Почтальон Печкин!
          Tunis is a Carthigenian city!

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          • #6
            I am going with a with by the Russians. Granted I am not sure what ships are agesis equiped but without it 36 backfires means a lot of dead ships.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Stryker 19K30 View Post
              That is a huge airbase on that island :/
              Yeah, that tips it in the Russian favor.
              Unless;
              The Euros can catch the Russian fleet away from the air-cover of the island base. In that case, they can annihilate the whole Russian fleet and still have one or two Harrier platforms left.
              After that, it would just be a case of seeing how the SAMs do against those old Backfires and SUs.

              Seems like they forgot recon aircraft, but I guess the Backfires can handle that if they have to. Harriers ain't great interceptors... unless they are chasing those ASW crates.
              "Why is the Rum gone?"

              -Captain Jack

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              • #8
                Hi

                Well for the Euro Navy I would start off with a bombardment of 100+ Tomahawk cruise missiles fired at the AB (by the British SSN's), until it was rendered unusable and the aircraft destroyed.

                Regards
                "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by craven View Post
                  I am going with a with by the Russians. Granted I am not sure what ships are agesis equiped but without it 36 backfires means a lot of dead ships.
                  Hi

                  Well aside from the 4 Spanish Aegis equipped frigates you also have the 4 Type 25 Destroyers of the RN.

                  Regards
                  "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                  "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Andy H View Post
                    Hi

                    Well aside from the 4 Spanish Aegis equipped frigates you also have the 4 Type 25 Destroyers of the RN.

                    Regards
                    thanks I just remember from my days of playing harpoon that if backfire raid came at anything other than US carrier group it was game over.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
                      Yeah, that tips it in the Russian favor.
                      Unless;
                      The Euros can catch the Russian fleet away from the air-cover of the island base. In that case, they can annihilate the whole Russian fleet and still have one or two Harrier platforms left.
                      After that, it would just be a case of seeing how the SAMs do against those old Backfires and SUs.

                      Seems like they forgot recon aircraft, but I guess the Backfires can handle that if they have to. Harriers ain't great interceptors... unless they are chasing those ASW crates.
                      88 aircraft, more than half of which are heavies, and all operating forward. What a nightmare for the ATC and guys supporting the birds. Also as mentioned earlier, with the TLAM threat, why are the Backfires and Bear-Fs (there is your recon asset Ex ) operating so far forward? They can be an asset in play and based at a safer location, and with that said you could have probably more than 36 at your disposal.
                      Кто там?
                      Это я - Почтальон Печкин!
                      Tunis is a Carthigenian city!

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                      • #12
                        Yup, I'd be betting on the Russians too.
                        The real key is the aircraft from the land base working as a team with the naval ships. No reason to think they would not, especially if we are assuming all those different Euro navies can work as a team.
                        "Why is the Rum gone?"

                        -Captain Jack

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
                          Yup, I'd be betting on the Russians too.
                          The real key is the aircraft from the land base working as a team with the naval ships. No reason to think they would not, especially if we are assuming all those different Euro navies can work as a team.
                          Hi Exorcist

                          Well theirs no reason to doubt that they can't, given all the yrs they've trained together in various standing NATO maritime formations and exercises.

                          As I stated earlier the 100 or so cruise missiles will destroy a fair proportion of the Russian aircraft and the airfield infrastructure.

                          Regards
                          "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                          "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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                          • #14
                            It has to be the Euros... Look at all the countries in it. Then again look at Russia's Navy. I chose Euros


                            BUT



                            It could go either or

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                            • #15
                              All depends on who gets the first real hit in. If the Euros neutralise the land-based contingent before it can hit them, then they're very likely to win. If they don't, then it doesn't look to be much of a contest.

                              With that in mind, I'd probably put my money on the Euros.
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