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  • Originally posted by asterix View Post
    I must say how happy I am to see a thread I've bgun last so long. :-D


    Occupying Oahu isn't enough...Japan would have to occupy the entire chain of Hawaiian islands. Also, if Japanese occupation of other islands is any indication, (Wake, for example), it would appear they had to be self sufficient for very long periods of time, with only very sporadic supplies from the homeland reaching them.

    However, it does lead me to another question - if the Japanese manage to inflict severe losses on the USN and AAF to the extend these forces cannot be repaired/replaced or kept running without direct support from mainland USA, could it possible for the Japanese to effectively blockade the islands, at least for a certain amount of time?
    Unfortunately this changes the whole premis of your OP as stipulated of a probable invasion of Oahu succeding.

    These would be the losses incured by the USN and AAF

    8 battleships
    8 cruisers
    30 destroyers
    4 submarines
    1 USCG Cutter[nb 1]
    49 other ships[1]

    Also include the two carriers and escorts as they would be hunted down and sunk.

    As well as all aircraft either destroyed or captured. Also all US armed forces on Oahu and the Hawian Islands, and that all US Naval operations will from that point will be operating out of San Francisco and San Diego. Plus mentioned before, they can't rely on land based bombers to lend support it is too far even for the as yet B-29, only the B-36 Peacemaker has the range.

    On the logistics side the Imperial Japanese Navy has 2,500 = 6.5 million tonnes of supply ships, that does not include the thousands of ships in the Japanese Merchant Navy = many more millions of tonnes of shipping.

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    • I recently read that it took 250 ships a month to feed the civilian population in the T.H. in 1941.
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      • Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
        I recently read that it took 250 ships a month to feed the civilian population in the T.H. in 1941.
        T.H ?

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        • Originally posted by Roddoss72 View Post
          T.H ?
          Territory of Hawaii. It wasn't a state yet.
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          • Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
            Territory of Hawaii. It wasn't a state yet.
            Thanx mate

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            • Agriculture in Hawaii was set up to grow Pineapples, Sugar Cane, Taro and Cattle. Before the Americans came it was simple to grow some Taro, Yams, Coconuts, Chickens, Swine and get your Fish straight from the sea. There were even some nice Fish Farms. Since Hawaii grew Pineapples and Sugar Cane cheaply, the American companies bought up land and converted it to these crops. The islands that got little rain were converted into ranches. The new settlers in Hawaii liked potatoes, rice, wheat and other crops from back where they came from. Where they got soy sauce after December 7th, I haven't a clue.

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              • Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                Where they got soy sauce after December 7th, I haven't a clue.

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                Indiana. Soy beans are a major crop in the US.
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                • Soy beans are a major crop NOW. Were they in 1940? My favorite place to hunt Dove is at a freshly harvested Soy Bean field. Since the Seventies, more and more Southwest Louisiana Farmers have started growing Wheat because of climate and sale prices.

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                  • Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                    Soy beans are a major crop NOW. Were they in 1940?
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                    Yes, confirmed by 47 seconds of Googling.
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                    • From what I saw they were not a "major" crop until WW II cut off some resources we were getting from abroad. Ford was using soy products since the Thirties in its cars. The Government was also pushing the crop in the Dust Bowl areas to restore fertility to the soil.

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                      • Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                        From what I saw they were not a "major" crop until WW II cut off some resources we were getting from abroad. Ford was using soy products since the Thirties in its cars. The Government was also pushing the crop in the Dust Bowl areas to restore fertility to the soil.

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                        3. Rise of Soybean Production in the United States and Decline of Exports from Manchuria to Europe (1931-1941) . Starting in the early 1930s, America began to emerge as a major soybean producer, passing Japan in 1931, Korea in 1934, and almost overtaking Manchuria in 1941 (Fig. 2.4). During this same period, soybean exports from Manchuria to Europe began a steady decline, largely due to dissatisfaction by European soybean processors with the quality of Manchurian soybeans, oil, and presscake. The advent of World War II in 1940 disrupted soybean trade between Manchuria and Europe, reducing it to virtually zero by 1941; it was never resumed after the war. Because of the rise in US production and the fall in trade with Europe, Manchuria's soybean production by 1940 had fallen to less than 60% of its 1930 peak, and Manchuria's share of world production had fallen from its peak of 42.5% to 25.5%.
                        http://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/pro...and_trade1.php
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                        • Rise of production and becoming a "major" producer do not mean it was a major crop in the US until say, after WWII. It was not ranked on the level of Rice, Wheat, Potatoes and such. It may have been at a similar level to Cranberries, Millet and such.

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                          • Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                            Rise of production and becoming a "major" producer do not mean it was a major crop in the US until say, after WWII. It was not ranked on the level of Rice, Wheat, Potatoes and such. It may have been at a similar level to Cranberries, Millet and such.

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                            Very well, carry on.
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