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  • Later in the 1960's Alolf Eichman was tried and hanged

    Why did it take so long to bring this Nazi war crimainal to justice. Why haven't the Nazi hunters found any more members of the SS since then?
    Peter Williams

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    Eichmann

    At the end of the war, Eichmann was arrested and confined to an American internment camp, but he was able to escape unrecognized. He fled to Argentina and lived under the assumed name of Ricardo Klement for ten years until Israeli Mossad agents abducted him in 1960 to stand trial in Jerusalem. His trial was in 1961 and was executed in 1962.

    As for your other question, I'm not an expert, but I would think that other war criminals just disappeared and changed their identity's and/or fled to a country which harbours them.
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      I think by and large we don't catch them much any more is because they got all the big guys, and now we're rounding up privates. Also, the war was 60 years ago and they are dying in droves.

      Also, the Russkies killed tens of thousands of them after the war, even those that had been conscripted. (All Soviet folks who fought for the Germans were executed after the war. Thanks Stalin. All of the units that escaped to the west in the final days were handed over to the Russkies. See above. Thanks Churchill and FDR. Tito did the same thing.)
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        I'm not sure if all SS were war criminals. Alot of divisions were used as elite combat troops, and one would think that they would not all behave like animals? I would think that there were good and honourable soldiers with the SS?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by dannybou
          I'm not sure if all SS were war criminals. Alot of divisions were used as elite combat troops, and one would think that they would not all behave like animals? I would think that there were good and honourable soldiers with the SS?
          Certainly that's the case, and there were a lot of conscripts, too. The guys they're looking for are usually the camp guards on which they have reports of inhumanity and I feel that that's what the question was about.
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            Originally posted by dannybou
            I'm not sure if all SS were war criminals. Alot of divisions were used as elite combat troops, and one would think that they would not all behave like animals? I would think that there were good and honourable soldiers with the SS?
            A lot of people thought differently.

            The SS staffed labor/concentration/death camps. That's a fact. Some of that staff were part of the "elite" divisions before or after they had been camp staff. Forced Labor, political imprisonment and of course, the death camps, are all things that the SS administered.

            true, That doesn't make every schutze a criminal.

            Even the 2 divisions considered the elite among the elite, The LAH and DR divisions had members brought up on warcrimes charges. Joachim Pieper is a great example.......

            Elite status has nothing to do with criminal status...I'm sure any soldier will tell you that.
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            • #7
              camp guards

              Ok Rephase that question. Do you think that we should be after SS camp guards and commandants??
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              • #8
                Why haven't the Nazi hunters found any more members of the SS since then?
                Klaus Barbie was tried in 1987. During the war, Barbie had tortured/murdered several French resistance operatives while he served in the SD (Gestapo, division of the SS), in addition to wreaking much evil on the populace. He originally escaped Nuremburg with American help . He was eventually set-up with a new life and fake identity in Bolivia, again with American assistance. The French found him in the 1980's. Never underestimate the capacity of the French for vengeance

                http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERbarbie.htm

                There have been others. The French, Soviets, and Israelis were especially devoted to tracking and apprehending Nazis. Simon Wiesenthal, a native of Ukraine and naturalized citizen of the US, is responsible in large part for bringing to justice over 1,100 Nazis, many of them former(?) SS members.

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                • #9
                  I remember reading a book once about Josef Mengele. He didnt get his justice on Earth, but Im sure he's paying for it now.

                  What about Ilse Koche and the females?

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                  • #10
                    Re: camp guards

                    Originally posted by panzerboy
                    Ok Rephase that question. Do you think that we should be after SS camp guards and commandants??
                    Camp Commandants: yes
                    Individual Guards: only if they are known to have committed war crimes.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Fenrir
                      A lot of people thought differently.

                      The SS staffed labor/concentration/death camps. That's a fact. Some of that staff were part of the "elite" divisions before or after they had been camp staff. Forced Labor, political imprisonment and of course, the death camps, are all things that the SS administered.

                      true, That doesn't make every schutze a criminal.

                      Even the 2 divisions considered the elite among the elite, The LAH and DR divisions had members brought up on warcrimes charges. Joachim Pieper is a great example.......

                      Elite status has nothing to do with criminal status...I'm sure any soldier will tell you that.
                      I'm reluctant to define as war criminals 40+ divisions and a dozen or more brigades of Waffen SS men, innumerable battalions of other western European SS volunteers and recruiting centers, and every policeman in the Reich (who fell under the SS) a war criminal, and the SS Genealogical Studies Institute, along with all the Allgemeine SS, most of whom for which it was an honorary thing (not to mention the Volkssturm and the entire replacement army, also subsumed under SS leadership towards the end of the war).

                      You have a case on the camp guards, the einsatz gruppe members, as well as the Gestapo and SD and those, of course, for whom we know are criminals for individual acts.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Janos
                        I'm reluctant to define as war criminals 40+ divisions and a dozen or more brigades of Waffen SS men, innumerable battalions of other western European SS volunteers and recruiting centers, and every policeman in the Reich (who fell under the SS) a war criminal, and the SS Genealogical Studies Institute, along with all the Allgemeine SS, most of whom for which it was an honorary thing (not to mention the Volkssturm and the entire replacement army, also subsumed under SS leadership towards the end of the war).

                        You have a case on the camp guards, the einsatz gruppe members, as well as the Gestapo and SD and those, of course, for whom we know are criminals for individual acts.
                        That's exactly my point. Mind you, some frontline SS units did commit war crimes, as in the case of the 12th SS in Normandy with Kurt Meyer, but war crimes were also committed by Wermacht units as well. And let me touch on a difficult subject, but if all war criminals were brought to justice, then there would be accused from the Allies side as well. Let's leave it at that. Don't get me wrong, the German war criminals deserve to be hunted down and punished, but let's not paint all of the SS with the same brush. As quoted by Janos, it would be difficult to think that out of the 40+ divisions, that all of them were war criminals. Just my humble opinion.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dannybou
                          That's exactly my point. Mind you, some frontline SS units did commit war crimes, as in the case of the 12th SS in Normandy with Kurt Meyer, but war crimes were also committed by Wermacht units as well. And let me touch on a difficult subject, but if all war criminals were brought to justice, then there would be accused from the Allies side as well. Let's leave it at that. Don't get me wrong, the German war criminals deserve to be hunted down and punished, but let's not paint all of the SS with the same brush. As quoted by Janos, it would be difficult to think that out of the 40+ divisions, that all of them were war criminals. Just my humble opinion.
                          Great...I wasn't sure from your previous post. I think we can agree (slight change from your wording) that there were individuals in front line units that committed war crimes. Normally war crimes are acts by individuals not units -- I don't know of any exceptions, but I'm not a lawyer either.

                          Your related point that there were crimes committed by all sides is well-taken, as painful as it is to think about.
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                          • #14
                            Agree with Danny

                            I Agree With DannyBoyu we should be after individulas (The Big Fishs). We need not concentrate our efforts on units but officers of the SS and the Wehrmacht officers that commited War crimes!!

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                            • #15
                              One of the big problems was:

                              when dealing with the SS is that it was designed and envolved to cover lots of ground. If memory serves, all these were connected or directly belonged to the SS.

                              Allegemaine SS (General SS) Main, Political SS..lots of honourary memberships.

                              Waffen SS (Armed SS) - military wing.

                              Totenkopf SS (Death Heads SS) - Concentration camp administration and guards.

                              Schierheitsdienst (SD) - SS security & intelligence branch.

                              Gehimestatspolizei (Gestapo) - Secret Police


                              SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) - Parent of the Gestapo and all security agencies in the 3rd Reich.

                              Kriminalpolizei (Criminal Police) - aka Kripo self explanatory.

                              SS-Rasse und SieflungsHauptamt (RuSHA) - Race and Settlement office.

                              Now remember that an SS officer or mann can move between the various units as seen fit. So there are two problems facing the allies here. 1) seperating the goats from the sheep i.e the war criminals from the non war criminals and 2) prioritizing the war criminals. I think it was done right. Get the big fish and then worry about the minnows later.

                              Nice website to see an overview of the SS.
                              http://www.wssob.com/ssorg.html

                              Just an FYI: My dad's unit in the WW2 liberated a concentration camp. We believe it to be Regensberg.

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