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    Who was the best ww2 general?
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    Patton
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    Montgomery
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    Rommel
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    MacArther
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  • #2
    He's not on the list.

    Erich von Manstein
    Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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    • #3
      Agreed! Von Manstein. It's not even close. Even though he was scum........................................

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      • #4
        This poll could almost be called "the most overrated" generals of WW2.

        Yet another vote here for Manstein. Light years beyond the competition.

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        • #5
          Best General



          Just curious why do you say Manstein over Grudarian. I mean Grudarian was the first to employ blitkrieg tactics, right?

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          • #6
            Manstiens lengthy list of accomplishments:

            1) Altering the planned invasion of France to send the left wing of the attack through the Ardennes.

            Guderian may have created the concept of Blitzkrieg, but Manstein knew how to employ it on a strategic level.

            2) Sevastopol

            While conducting the seige of Sevastopol, Manstein had to deal with a Soviet counteroffensive across the Kuban. He managed to fend off and defeat the counteroffensive and reduce Sevastopol.

            Interestingly, conducting a successful siege used to be one of the possible conditions for advancement to Field Marshal, so Manstein go his baton for merit rather than for political reasons.

            3) Post-Stalingrad

            Manstein managed to salvage the remains of Army Group Don and conduct an orderly, if harried, retreat, preventing a complete collapse of Army Group South. Conducting a strategy retreat has to be considered one of the most difficult of military operations.

            This doesn't even consider his actually managing to collect enough force to try an abortive rescue attempt for 6th Army (Wintergeiwitter).

            4) The Miracle on the Donetz

            After a long retreat, Manstein was able to recognize when the Soviets had shot their bolt and launch a small counteroffensive which ultimately recaptured Karkhov and set the stage for Kursk.

            Clearly Manstein was involved in many of the critical strategic events of the war up to Kursk. Guderian is another good choice, but his involvement at the strategic level was less noticable, except perhaps in his capacity as Inspector General of tank troops.

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            • #7
              Let us also not forget Manstein later accomplishments. Perhaps not as grandiose or glorious as the aformentioned feats, but he managed to save German forces time and again in the great battles on the Dnepr.

              When Hube's 1st Pz Army was surrounded north of the Dnestr river at Kamenets-Podolski, Hube pleaded to be allowed to break-out to the south; the shortest and apparently easiest route to freedom.
              Manstein insisted 1st Pz Army breakout to the west across a string of rivers. His reasoning was that to retreat south would pin 1st Pz Army against the Carpathians and create a massive gap at the juncture with 4th Pz Army. By moving the Army west, Manstein deceived Zhukov(who expected a move south) and was able to close the gap with 4th Pz Army to maintain a front in southern Poland.

              In my book, there is no comparable commander to Manstein in WW II.
              He was a strong proponent of the use of mobile defence on the Eastern Front and when given the opportunity to exercise it, he always came out on top.
              Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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              • #8
                Manstein is primarily lauded by his peers, from all participants(even the Soviets)
                Their opinions should carry, at least some weight.

                This is because he was able to do one thing that most others
                could NOT:

                Conduct a fighting withdrawl, in the face of a prepared enemy.

                Rommel had the advantage that he was not afraid to disobey
                orders if he needed to, and he wasnt under close scrutiny.

                However, Manstein WAS under close scrutiny.

                It should always be remembered that he was a member of his class. He made no apology for that.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DingBat
                  This poll could almost be called "the most overrated" generals of WW2.

                  Yet another vote here for Manstein. Light years beyond the competition.
                  If you mention Manstein, you have to mention Guderian. Both generals could have destroyed the Russian Army but due to the incompetant interferance of Hitler, that dream was destroyed.

                  Also, most of the great German Generals had the concept of training by Helmut von Moltke (Prussian Class).
                  VonMoltke

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                  • #10
                    Too Many German Memoirs

                    I think these responses the fifty years of having only largely self serving German accounts of the Eastern Front actions. The history of the war in the east was largely characterised by strategic blunder and miscalculation. Some of it reflecting Hitler's meddling but much of it reflecting an inability of German commanders to deal with an opponent who had seemingly limitless terrain and manpower they were willing to sacrifice for time. Only now are we beginning to get well researched studies of the Eastern front that reflect careful analysis of both German and Russian, souces sorting out and reconcilling inconsistencies and getting a true picture of what happened their. What is emerging is a clearer picture that many of the men who ended up leading the armored guards were exceptional combat leaders who started the war fighting brilliant battalion and brigade level actions with scratch task forces and ended the war out generalling the German generals.
                    Boston Strong!

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