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    I dont get why he gets such a hard rap from people these days. Before i start I am going to say that I am biased heavily torwards him. He was one of my hero's growing up. I read his books on the Second World War and I loved them, I know he made mistakes (Signapore, Norway). But his inspirationial qualities and speechmaking was better than Hitler or Stalin. He saw Hitler as a threat from the second he rose in power. He inspired the UK to fight on in its darkest hour. These are some of the reasons that I like Winston.

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    That's because you only see part of the story.

    As First Lord of the Admiralty, Churchill was largely responsible for the disastrous Gallipoli campaign, his domestic policies in the 'thirties were also unpopular with many. I grew up in a mining community where few had a good word for him.

    While his leadership in WW2 was inspirational, his catastrophic defeat in the 1945 general election showed that nobody wanted him as a peacetime leader.

    He is still one of the most controversial figures in UK history, revered and reviled in equal measure.

    A lot of the people I knew in the UK saw Ronald Reagan as a warmongering fool, and Margaret Thatcher as the spawn of the Devil - other people have different impressions of them. It's all part of being human, I suppose.
    Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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    • #3
      Forgive me wasnt Thatcher saw as good after the Falklands war

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lionhearti View Post
        Forgive me wasnt Thatcher saw as good after the Falklands war
        Largely because Labour weren't even on the electoral map. As for WSC, he was a great leader when he needed to be but his record apart from that is poor. I'd argue that he was a corrupt demagogue whose incompetence and inhumanity cost Britain billions of pounds and tens of thousands of lives!
        Signing out.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Full Monty View Post
          Largely because Labour weren't even on the electoral map. As for WSC, he was a great leader when he needed to be but his record apart from that is poor. I'd argue that he was a corrupt demagogue whose incompetence and inhumanity cost Britain billions of pounds and tens of thousands of lives!
          Yeah, but you're an attention seeking tw*t.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Full Monty View Post
            Largely because Labour weren't even on the electoral map. As for WSC, he was a great leader when he needed to be but his record apart from that is poor. I'd argue that he was a corrupt demagogue whose incompetence and inhumanity cost Britain billions of pounds and tens of thousands of lives!
            Well FM,I usually find myself in agreement with you nowadays but I do think you have gone a little overboard about WSC, he was the right man at the right time without a doubt and right or wrong,a patriot, his party and politics I strongly disagreed with in general but was he anymore corrupt than the majority of MPs?The least of which in my opinion was Clem Attlee who despite his political views,became his partner during the war. His incompetence was more due to impulsiveness I think, but unfortunately that impulsive trait led him to being blamed for a lot of the misfortunes and disasters in the war(some of which I beieve were wrongly placed at his doorstep) Billions of pounds perhaps, but tens of thousands of lives? I would not say none,but that number is a heavy cross to put on any mans shoulders.Unless of course his initials were AH. lcm1
            'By Horse by Tram'.


            I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
            " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by the ace View Post
              That's because you only see part of the story.

              As First Lord of the Admiralty, Churchill was largely responsible for the disastrous Gallipoli campaign, his domestic policies in the 'thirties were also unpopular with many. I grew up in a mining community where few had a good word for him.

              While his leadership in WW2 was inspirational, his catastrophic defeat in the 1945 general election showed that nobody wanted him as a peacetime leader.

              He is still one of the most controversial figures in UK history, revered and reviled in equal measure.

              A lot of the people I knew in the UK saw Ronald Reagan as a warmongering fool, and Margaret Thatcher as the spawn of the Devil - other people have different impressions of them. It's all part of being human, I suppose.
              The reason the working class in general wanted no truck of him and his party after the war was because they all had vivid memories of them from the 1930s and had decided that no matter what Winston had done during the war,there was no going back to the pre war dark days and snobbery. lcm1
              'By Horse by Tram'.


              I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
              " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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              • #8
                It doesn't do to criticise one of the darlings of the British Right does it.
                Signing out.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by the ace View Post
                  That's because you only see part of the story.

                  As First Lord of the Admiralty, Churchill was largely responsible for the disastrous Gallipoli campaign, his domestic policies in the 'thirties were also unpopular with many. I grew up in a mining community where few had a good word for him.

                  While his leadership in WW2 was inspirational, his catastrophic defeat in the 1945 general election showed that nobody wanted him as a peacetime leader.

                  He is still one of the most controversial figures in UK history, revered and reviled in equal measure.

                  A lot of the people I knew in the UK saw Ronald Reagan as a warmongering fool, and Margaret Thatcher as the spawn of the Devil - other people have different impressions of them. It's all part of being human, I suppose.
                  Interestingly, 6 years after his defeat following the end of WWII.....he was elected PM again, this time for another 4 years before his resignation due to his failing health.....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by the ace View Post
                    That's because you only see part of the story.

                    .

                    While his leadership in WW2 was inspirational, his catastrophic defeat in the 1945 general election showed that nobody wanted him as a peacetime leader.


                    .
                    I believe it was more that the country just didnīt want the old Tory gang back in power.

                    The case for the old gang was not helped by the genius who dreamed up the slogan that a Labour victory and socialism meant "Gestapo Rule" in Britain. A stupid slur against the people who had been partners in government and Major Clement Atlee the deputy-PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GreenTiger View Post
                      I believe it was more that the country just didnīt want the old Tory gang back in power.
                      I suspect there were enough 'old soaks' in the armed forces who remembered that it was WSC's economic policies that brought the mass unemployment of the mid-twenties (simultaneously enriching his own landed class in the process) and also that he advocated the most brutal and repressive measures to quell the protests that resulted (he was Home Secretary during the General Strike of 1926).

                      The case for the old gang was not helped by the genius who dreamed up the slogan that a Labour victory and socialism meant "Gestapo Rule" in Britain. A stupid slur against the people who had been partners in government and Major Clement Atlee the deputy-PM.
                      That was an utterly brain-dead piece of electoral rhetoric that bordered on the slanderous!
                      Signing out.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Johnny_BoomBoom View Post
                        Interestingly, 6 years after his defeat following the end of WWII.....he was elected PM again, this time for another 4 years before his resignation due to his failing health.....
                        Yes that was because of internal dispute in the labour party, which caused many of the dreams of Clem Attlee to fall apart under the moronic leadership of Harold Wilson for one thing. Politically it was a two party world and the people wanted a change,who else could they turn to? lcm1
                        'By Horse by Tram'.


                        I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
                        " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GreenTiger View Post
                          I believe it was more that the country just didnīt want the old Tory gang back in power.

                          The case for the old gang was not helped by the genius who dreamed up the slogan that a Labour victory and socialism meant "Gestapo Rule" in Britain. A stupid slur against the people who had been partners in government and Major Clement Atlee the deputy-PM.
                          And if you had been of 'working class' status in the 30s,the need for something differant was very obvious. lcm1
                          'By Horse by Tram'.


                          I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
                          " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
                            And if you had been of 'working class' status in the 30s,the need for something differant was very obvious. lcm1
                            Not to forget those who had served in WWI and survived. (and their families) "A land fit for heroes" to come home to? They were betrayed.

                            There was just no way a majority of people were prepared to put up with a repeat of those truly appalling and shameful inter-war years.

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                            • #15
                              RE CHURCHILL IN 1951

                              cHURCHILL WON the 1951 General Election by a 15 seat majority ut with a minority vote -more Brits voted against him in 1951 than for him but the vagaries of the British ''first past the post system '' let him becme Prime Minister.
                              Churchill also cut his own throat in July 1945 during the General Election with his infamous ''Gestapo'' methods '' radio broadcast dutring the election where he said that loyal Labour Party colleagues fo his Coalition govt would introduce ''Gestapo methods'' if elected.
                              This crass slander incensed the electorate who returned Labour with a majority of over 100 seats.
                              Re Thatcher she is/ was utterly hated in Scotland-Falklands war notwithstanding-and she still is -that's why in the 1997 General Election in Scotland EVERY Scottish Tory MP lost their seats making Scotland a Conservative free zone at Westminster for the first time in history.
                              The Tories still only have one sIngle Westminster M.P.-due to the majoriy of Scots loathing Thatcher WITH A VISCERAL HATRED -even today.
                              Thatcher made political Conservatism a toxic brand in Scotland-which it remains today.
                              P.S. Churchill was dumped by the people of Dundee, Scotland as one of their M.P.'S in the 1920's.

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