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  • In "Under Himmler's Command", Lammerding (commanded the staff at Das Reich and a SS PzK) is sent to be chief of Staff of AG Vistula in 1945. He was unhappy with the new assignment and the author notes that he was not qualified to lead an army group.

    notes on his behavior:

    - he was known to be a successful troop commander but was out of his area in this role. Very insecure.
    - he tried to make compromises and avoid taking personal responsibility.
    -inappropriately optimistic
    -always presenting an optimistic spin of operational events to Himmler

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    • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
      The oder front 1/2 by Hamilton (part 3 coming) should neatly support 21.Pz , BR, and other related unit histories:

      https://www.amazon.com/default/e/B00...KindleDbs=true

      It looks like the most modern series on the Oder Front 1945.
      Hi Ci, I have read right through your contributions on this subject, both on the Russian and Western front. What fantastic knowledge both in print and in your head. I can only read and applaud. ( No sarcasm intended.) lcm1
      'By Horse by Tram'.


      I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
      " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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      • Thanks.. I put a lot of effort in this.

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        • According to "Hitler's Vikings", the III SS Panzer Korps was designed as a "Germanic" corps that was ideally composed of European volunteers and an upgraded 5.SS Wiking divisions. The new 11th SS Volunteer division Nordland was ideally a Waffen SS Panzer division.

          Reality did not meet with these expectations as Wiking was not upgraded very much (and did not fight with the new Korps) and volunteers were trickling in. These units were overwhelmingly composed of Germans, much of them draftees from Rumania. Nordland was never as big as a Waffen SS Panzer division.

          However, the organization of the 11th SS PzG division was unique and heavily armed:

          small division, just 12,000 men.

          80 tanks and Assault guns, 18 SP artillery pieces, 20+ SP AA guns on SPW, 20+ armored cars.

          - Most of the 6 battalions of infantry were actually mounted on SPW (15-17 SPW per company) . Heavy company of each inf battalion had towed AT guns, infantry guns, and AA guns.

          With these weapons the new formations were deployed against the Soviets at Narva.

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          • lots of organizational reports:

            https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/i...en-des-heeres/

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            • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
              I checked Zetterling's Normandy and there are some differences: The 17.SS was poorly equipped with authorized vehicles but at authorized for weapons.

              Hmm. The strength reports show for June 1, 1944, an on-paper ("Soll") strength of the SS Panzerartillerie Regiment 17 for a total of 36 10.5cm, 12 15cm howitzers, and 4 10.5cm cannons. It's three light battalions and one heavy battalion.
              The "Ist" (actual) strength was 24 10.5mm howitzers, 11 15cm howitzers, and 4 10.5cm cannons. Understrength, but still a significant artillery complement.
              A third battalion is reported as "in preparation"; it has the men and the accompanying light MGs, but not the artillery pieces.

              And BTW, this couldn't be an "elite unit of the German Army" because no SS unit belonged to the German Heer.
              Michele

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              • 21.Panzer in June 44 was an interesting unit, highly equipped with converted French vehicles and comms systems by its Major Becker. A lot of SP guns (over 100 x 88mm, 75mm, 105mm) and SPW (over 300). In fact it was among the most mechanized German units of the war- along with G.D, Panzer Lehr, SSLAH, DR, TK. It did not rate highly however, in its tank strength.


                Last edited by Cult Icon; 28 Sep 18, 12:14.

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                • http://www.theobservationpost.com/blog/?p=1192

                  "Feuchtinger commanded the 21st Panzer Divison because he built it as his private army, using every political lever he had at his possession. It would not have existed but for his protégé, Major Becker’s genius for improvising self propelled guns from scrap French army AFVs, and for Feuchtinger’s skills in playing the system. Feuchtinger developed an organisation to man these weapons in OB West. First as a Schnelle Brigade West of two regiments of mobile artillery. Then in 1943 half of these were parceled among the static divisions, while the remainder were the artillery group for 21st Panzer Division, which Feuchtinger was uniquely placed to command."

                  "21st Panzer Division emerged having been constructed like the tramp’s stone soup. It had its own organisation table which reflected the equipment Becker had built. It was lavishly equipped with SP guns and APCs and a range of unique SP multiple rocket launchers and mortars . It was weak in armour, lacking a Panther battalion and less than the full establishment of two Pz IV Bns. "

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                  • 21st Panzer division in Normandy:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwYchb7vRhE


                    6:00

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP81qFv8VW8

                    PDF of the division's structure

                    http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/late21pzd6jun44.pdf

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                    • Michelle, I will get to your posts soon, I just need the time to do the reading

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                      • I was flipping through "Panzergrenadier Aces" by the not-always reliable Kurkowski and he wrote that the elite "FHH" was in fact built out of the 60.ID (mot.). This division was one of the principle attacking divisions at Stalingrad and was destroyed there IIRC.


                        https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedr...on_Steinkeller

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                        • Lots of German Divisions were destroyed and rebuilt. There were always a numbers of men on leave, in hospital and in the Reserve unit. All you have to do is add replacements and new equipment. Each Wehrkreis could furnish replacements.

                          Pruitt
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                          • FHH was an honorific related to the Nazi S.A. that was applied very late in the war.



                            Panzerkorps FHH HQ built of the redesignated 4.AK

                            Tiger 503- perhaps the most highly regarded tiger battalion- was renamed "FHH" to the dislike of many of its soldiers according to Rosen's memoir and the unit history.

                            Panzer Division Feldherrnhalle 1 built out of 60.ID (mot.) and grenadier regiment "FHH" from the 93.ID

                            Panzer Division Feldherrnhalle 2 built out of 13th Panzer division


                            https://www.axishistory.com/books/15...feldherrnhalle

                            http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/.../IVPzKorps.htm

                            https://www.axishistory.com/books/14...feldherrnhalle

                            The rationale behind making this unit is a mystery to me. It was essentially just renamed units

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                            • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
                              FHH was an honorific related to the Nazi S.A. that was applied very late in the war.
                              Applied to what? The title existed since 1936, for a SA cadre that essentially was a holding unit for SA detachments spread all over Germany.


                              The rationale behind making this unit is a mystery to me. It was essentially just renamed units
                              Officially, it was because of the tradition deriving from SA volunteers being assigned to the original units and/or to the Panzer HQ units. Actually, if you ask me, it's the same reason why "named" divisions and other units became popular late in the war: in the hope that it would boost the morale of the soldiers to be fighting within a unit that had the name of an ancient "Aryan hero" or the name of the region/country the soldiers came from/were recruited/assembled in. Maybe it worked, to some extent; it's probably more inspiring to be in the "Scharnhorst" division than in the 340th Division.
                              Michele

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                              • As far as FHH goes it was one of the few formations that were expanded with the late 1944 "named" panzerkorps system. This was designed to economize on material. The Army had the Panzer Korps G.D and the FHH. The Luftwaffe had the PzK HG.

                                My guess, and similar to the compiler below, is that the German military felt that they could rely on these units and thus increased the flow of resources towards them. The FHH recruited nationally and was not tied to a district.

                                http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=983254

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpwD...ctr=1543982957

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