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    What was the best allied tank in WW2? Russians included but let's go east and west, if you will. And reliability is important.
    How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?-Dwight D. Eisenhower

  • #2
    exploitation role- M4 Sherman
    tank-to-tank combat- Sherman Firefly
    Heavy break-in Tank- JS-II

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    • #3
      Sherman Firefly- Reliable, up-gunned, mobile, wet ammo storage.

      T34/76, 1942 - Rough but reliable, adequate gun, produced in large numbers.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by BazBear View Post
        What was the best allied tank in WW2? Russians included but let's go east and west, if you will. And reliability is important.
        US - Sherman as no other option.

        USSR - T34 as no other option really. KV's were too unreliable or slow for their theatre of operations, and JS's too limited in what they could achieve (although great in their intended assault role).

        UK - Matilda 1939-42/Churchill 1942-45 as most cruisers were rubbish (or too late) imo. However early British Infantry tanks lacked decent HE, and later in the war suffered a lack of long range AT ability. This was provided by M10s (Achillies where possible).

        Unless you are looking for the best Allied tank 1.5.45 of course.

        Just my 2 cents .
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
          USSR - T34 as no other option really. KV's were too unreliable or slow for their theatre of operations, and JS's too limited in what they could achieve (although great in their intended assault role).
          T-50. Its about as reliable as a T-34, and its certainly a better design.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Listy View Post
            T-50. Its about as reliable as a T-34, and its certainly a better design.
            You mean this one?



            I wouldn't want that in my army . May as well have the Valentine as your light tank .

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
              You mean this one?



              I wouldn't want that in my army . May as well have the Valentine as your light tank .

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-50_tank
              That's the point its a good all rounder. A sort of MBT. Ok the gun by the late war period was a bit pants, but during its time it was good enough.
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              • #8
                For the British it was Cruiser, Comet I (A34). It arrived too late to participate in significant operations but it still counts as a tank that fought in WWII. This tank was so good British tank crews were going nuts with regret because it had not arrived a year earlier when it could have made the difference. It had taken Britain too long to finally design a war-winning tank, probably as a result of the stagnation and budget cuts in the 1930s.

                For the Americans it was probably the Pershing tank.

                Please note that the Comet almost looks good enough to be used today.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Listy View Post
                  That's the point its a good all rounder. A sort of MBT. Ok the gun by the late war period was a bit pants, but during its time it was good enough.
                  I take your point about an allrounder .

                  If I had to choose one tank for the W Allies, given their remit on preserving life, their style of fighting, and fighting Germans in N Africa/Europe and the Japanese in Asia, I would go Churchill. If I were Soviet it would be T34 as my tank of choice - efficient, cheap, can do the job required. If I could choose only one to serve on every front it would be the Sherman.

                  When looking at the choice of tanks for best I looked at those which served at least a few years, which is a reasonable pov imo .
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                  • #10
                    The JS-2, how is it to be classified? The Soviets declared it a heavy tank, and IIRC it was compared to the T-34, but again IIRC it was approximately the same weight as the Panther, same deal with the Pershing.

                    But if reliability is important, than probably Sherman, no? AFAIK, a US tank commander who started out with a hundred Shermans could travel a lengthy way and expect to have Shermans in the nineties left. A German commander doing this even with the old Panzer IV workhorse would probably be less rich after a lengthy travel.
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                    • #11
                      Not a lot to say other than the fact I've always liked the look of the BT-7 tank.


                      http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum...538aadb3e54d93

                      HUGE BT-7 Image (Side.)

                      http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/bt7-01e.asp

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                      • #12
                        Well; I do have something to say actually. For the best anything of WWII. You really need to divide the war into periods. For example comparing the Lancaster (1940s) design to the B-17 (30s design) is fair as they both are strategic bombers, but less so as the Lancaster (evolved Manchester) has wartime experience based in its design where the B-17 evolved during its life, but not a lot could be changed really.

                        I hope this makes sense.
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                        • #13
                          I choose the Firefly and T34 because of their impact on the war not that they were the best designed or most superior tanks. They just did the most in the larger scope of WWII to defeat its opponents. All units made a contribution, but which made the biggest mark on history?
                          The potentcy of the 88 was that it was present, in reasonable numbers, when it was needed, They had them. We did not.
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                          • #14
                            Western: M4A3E8(76)w
                            Eastern: T-34/85
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RichardS View Post
                              For the best anything of WWII. You really need to divide the war into periods.
                              Have to agree here .

                              1939-41, 42-3 and 44-45 seems good to me, or to put it another way pre-Barbarossa, post Barbarossa up to the end of Kursk, and post-Kursk.

                              Imo Matilda 2 best of the bunch early on, albeit not without its faults.
                              T34 or Churchill or Sherman for middle period - depending on which theatre.
                              In the latter period, perhaps the Comet, but again depends on the style of operations and over which terrain.

                              Based on the fact that the Eastern Front had the most damaging impact on Germany, and that the T34 was probably the most suitable tank in this theatre (imo), perhaps my vote should go here .
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