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    Just how many different variants were there of M4 Sherman? I've heard years ago that there was more than 40+ different modells n' prototypes, some even still classified as top secret. It was around the end of the last century that I heard this and as there's a lot of hard core armour historians here at ACG I'm givin' it a try to get to the bottom of this.
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    You name it, and they did it with a Sherman.

    An example, the Sherman dozer.


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    • #3
      What do you mean by "variant?" Dozer blades, mine plows, rocket launchers, etc., could be fitted to any tank. The main Sherman tank variants were differentiated by the drivetrain. M4A1 was the only cast-hull variant (although late-model M4 and M4A6 were constructed with a cast upper front hull), and used the same engine as the welded-hull M4. M4A2, M4A3, M4A4, and M4A6 also were constructed, although M4A6 never saw service. M4A5 was a designation reserved for Canada's Ram II tank.

      Once differing US armament is entered into the equation: M4A1, M4A3, and M4A2 were armed with the 76 mm gun M1 series and wet ammo stowage; and M4 and M4A3 were also fitted with the 105 mm howitzer M4. M4A3 was also fitted with wet ammo stowage while retaining the 75 mm gun M3. Horizontal volute spring suspension was fitted to M4A1(76)W, M4A2(76)W, M4A3(76)W, M4(105), and M4A3(105).

      All of these variants were produced by the US during WW2, so this is not counting British (e.g., Firefly) or post-war modifications, or the abundance of vehicles based on the drivetrain and suspension.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DogDodger View Post
        What do you mean by "variant?" Dozer blades, mine plows, rocket launchers, etc., could be fitted to any tank. The main Sherman tank variants were differentiated by the drivetrain. M4A1 was the only cast-hull variant (although late-model M4 and M4A6 were constructed with a cast upper front hull), and used the same engine as the welded-hull M4. M4A2, M4A3, M4A4, and M4A6 also were constructed, although M4A6 never saw service. M4A5 was a designation reserved for Canada's Ram II tank.

        Once differing US armament is entered into the equation: M4A1, M4A3, and M4A2 were armed with the 76 mm gun M1 series and wet ammo stowage; and M4 and M4A3 were also fitted with the 105 mm howitzer M4. M4A3 was also fitted with wet ammo stowage while retaining the 75 mm gun M3. Horizontal volute spring suspension was fitted to M4A1(76)W, M4A2(76)W, M4A3(76)W, M4(105), and M4A3(105).

        All of these variants were produced by the US during WW2, so this is not counting British (e.g., Firefly) or post-war modifications, or the abundance of vehicles based on the drivetrain and suspension.
        The wiki has a good listing of Sherman varients.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman_variants

        Of course, my favorite Sherman is the Flamm version! Arrrr!


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
          Of course, my favorite Sherman is the Flamm version! Arrrr!

          For me, things that make you go boom!


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          • #6
            FLAME ON!!

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            • #7
              Another good one, the 'Crab':

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              • #8
                Sherman 'DDs'

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                • #9
                  My favorite Sherman Varient.


                  Sherman Firefly Vc

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wolster View Post
                    Another good one, the 'Crab':
                    That's a Crab MKII BTW.


                    Originally posted by RichardS View Post
                    My favorite Sherman Varient.


                    Sherman Firefly Vc

                    Sherman Tulip is just as much fun... Hmmmm Firefly Tulip anyone? Did they do that?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Listy View Post
                      Sherman Tulip is just as much fun... Hmmmm Firefly Tulip anyone? Did they do that?
                      You need to let people know what the heck a Tulip is, Listy! Let me help...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
                        You need to let people know what the heck a Tulip is, Listy! Let me help...

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                        Heh.

                        The part of that account that makes me wonder about the firefly tulip is this:
                        Thus, although we started with a whole Squadron, we ended up with comparatively few.
                        Imagine the fun of a firefly tulip?!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cyberia View Post
                          For me, things that make you go boom!


                          Yesssss, the T34 Calliope MRLS. bring your own rocket artillery with the tank company, volley, release the frame with the push of a button and go in for the mop up.
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                          • #14
                            Check out the extendo tracks on this M4A3E9!


                            M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 105mm M4 howitzer.



                            I think they only made about 1000 or so of the M4A3E9/M4A3(105). I'm not sure how effective these tanks were in actual combat, but when I play ASL I love these tanks! The big 105 mm gun blows infantry to bits, and it's HEAT round is big enough to take down a Panzer IV with little problem. Likewise, the tank is armed with smoke shells, and white phosphorous rounds for added destruction.


                            This site has some pics of this tank (restored), too large to download.
                            http://www.mvcconline.org/Membersrig...erman_tank.htm

                            Enjoy!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
                              Check out the extendo tracks on this M4A3E9!


                              M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 105mm M4 howitzer.



                              I think they only made about 1000 or so of the M4A3E9/M4A3(105). I'm not sure how effective these tanks were in actual combat, but when I play ASL I love these tanks! The big 105 mm gun blows infantry to bits, and it's HEAT round is big enough to take down a Panzer IV with little problem. Likewise, the tank is armed with smoke shells, and white phosphorous rounds for added destruction.


                              This site has some pics of this tank (restored), too large to download.
                              http://www.mvcconline.org/Membersrig...erman_tank.htm

                              Enjoy!
                              The folks down at Fort Wayne have one of those howitzer armed Shermans on their grounds and I've been inside the big bastard. My then girlfriend stood well to the front of the tank, trying to take a picture, while I was seated within. I found the gun's elevating wheel and cranked the gun barrel down to point directly at her, before loudly announcing.."SAY CHEESE!"
                              For some reason, she didn't think it was funny..
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