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  • T-34 Mythical Weapon reprint !

    With the first printings selling for 500.00 USD and higher I have already pre-ordered my copy here:

    http://www.jjfpub.mb.ca/index.php?pa...emart&Itemid=2

    Get it while you can !

    Regards,Kurt
    Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

  • #2
    I can give you the whole thrust of the text to save you wading through it all:

    The T-34 was the worst tank in the world.
    The Pz IV was a better tank.
    Germans who wrote about the superiority of the T34 were confusing the T34 with the KV
    Even Guderian could not tell a T34 from a KV.
    All Russians are liars and very bad people.

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    • #3
      Ever since discovering the existence of this publication I've considered purchasing a copy mainly for the illustrations/technical drawings, photos etc; which are, it seems, abundant and generally of very good quality.
      At the same time after reading a number of reviews I've already set myself to "treat with extreme caution" mode when it comes to the text.
      Nevertheless for an enthusiast with my particular tastes it could still be worth maybe up to a hundred bucks or so. (I'd think of it as kinda like a Jentz only with very dodgy text.) 500 bucks would just be a bad joke though.
      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
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      • #4
        Originally posted by m kenny View Post
        I can give you the whole thrust of the text to save you wading through it all:

        The T-34 was the worst tank in the world.
        The Pz IV was a better tank.
        Germans who wrote about the superiority of the T34 were confusing the T34 with the KV
        Even Guderian could not tell a T34 from a KV.
        All Russians are liars and very bad people.
        Thanks for your candid "review" but for 100.00 USD I am going to buy it and wade through it.

        Regards,Kurt
        Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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        • #5
          This book was discussed on ACG at least once before during my time here with some good input
          T-34 Mythical Weapon

          Also another review here on missing-lynx:
          Mythical Weapon Book review

          I'd been considering buying this book myself but at that price wanted to check the reviews out. After reading a fair number of them, the overall consensus seems to be that this book is ideal for the modeller or someone interested in the technical history of the tank. As a history it leaves much to be desired (with the possible exception of the section on the Polish T-34s). As this is where my main interest lies and , given the price of the book, I think I'm going to give it a miss and invest in this other book instead as it seems to be more in line with my interests and at a better price point
          The T-34 Goes to War
          Same company is also releasing this one:
          World of Tanks - SU-152 and Related Vehicles
          Last edited by CarpeDiem; 18 Jun 16, 18:24.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CarpeDiem View Post
            This book was discussed on ACG at least once before during my time here with some good input
            T-34 Mythical Weapon

            Also another review here on missing-lynx:
            Mythical Weapon Book review

            I'd been considering buying this book myself but at that price wanted to check the reviews out. After reading a fair number of them, the overall consensus seems to be that this book is ideal for the modeller or someone interested in the technical history of the tank. As a history it leaves much to be desired (with the possible exception of the section on the Polish T-34s). As this is where my main interest lies and , given the price of the book, I think I'm going to give it a miss and invest in this other book instead as it seems to be more in line with my interests and at a better price point
            The T-34 Goes to War
            Same company is also releasing this one:
            World of Tanks - SU-152 and Related Vehicles
            Thanks for the links. I have already ordered the book as the publisher needs 300 pre-orders before they will print the 500 second editions.

            This is the review on JJF's website:
            The publisher of the excellent T-34 Mythical Weapon is planning a small reprint of the book. The retail price will be $129.00 CDN (at this time approximately $100.00 US). However, he will do so only after his pre-orders reach 300 copies. If you would definitely want a copy, order by the end of June. We will then forward our order to the publisher and save your copy once the book is printed. You will not be charged anything until the book is published.

            Review by Terry Ashley January 18, 2007

            This book has been over 3 years in the making growing in size from the initial planned 300 pages to the final 520 pages and first impressions are the wait was well worth it now the final book is with us.

            To begin it’s worth noting that the book has the correctly presented designations for the T-34 as used in Russian documents, that being T-34-76 and T-34-85 and not the common Western presented T-34/76 and T-34/85 we see on most kits and references, a small but noteworthy point if you want to talk about the T-34 correctly.

            The hard cover book itself has 520 pages entirely in English with approximately 880 black and white photographs, 36 colour interior photos with additional 3D CAD drawings of the suspension and interior plus 58 pages of 1:35 scale drawings.

            About the first half of the book has considerable text starting with a brief ‘forward’ and section on T-34 “Myths” followed by accounts of the initial German impressions on the T-34 taken from actual communiqués that give a good insight into the thinking of the times. As well there is a detailed account of one of the first major actions involving T-34s around the town of Mcensk in 1941 with numerous photos of disabled T-34s and four campaign maps. This is a comprehensive account covering about 50 pages with summaries of the opposing forces and vehicles with line drawings of the different appliqué armour fitted to the glacis that compliment the many photos with the captions indicating the subtle differences between Factory 112 and 183 produced vehicles.

            The next chapter deals with “The Roots” and traces the T-34 development from initial concepts through to production that deals with steel production and other aspects of design and production. Brief mentions are made of the T-34M and T-43 prototypes as well as brief bios of the major players in the T-34 development to give a good insight into the thinking of the day.

            Again there are many photos of disabled and destroyed vehicles that show many of the hull and turret details as well as 7 pages of drawings showing the hull layouts from the initial 1940 production through to 1942 from those produced by factories 112, 183 and STZ.

            Also included are many close-up photos of the welded and cast turrets from the three factories (112, 183 and STZ) that show the variations well and these are supplemented with line drawings detailing the many turret variations that should answer many questions from a modelling viewpoint. Also included are plan view drawings of the L-11 and F-34 gun, cradle and mountings with the text including details descriptions of the development and analysis of the vehicles shown.

            The next 60 pages deal with “The real T-34” and again has many photos of destroyed vehicles plus extensive text that deals with the T-34 in use and further accounts of actions as well as providing production numbers from the three factories for the second half of 1941 through to 1945. The many photos of the destroyed T-34s gives some indication of the tremendous losses suffered by the Russians in these earlier battles but the fact they could replace these with increased production helps explain the final result. The text has many detailed facts on the ongoing development with the details of differences between factories making for interesting reading supplemented by the excellent action photos some of which show T-34s still on active service as well as the disabled vehicles.

            The next chapter moves to the T-34-85 with details of the development and production along with detailed close-up photos of the turrets produced from factories 112, 174 and 183 to again highlight the many subtle and not so subtle differences not only in the details but the casting textures on the various turrets. The photos are complimented with line drawings showing the evolution of the turret designs as well as many wartime photos of the T-34-85 in action both in service and destroyed to give good coverage of the markings as well as the crew and infantry uniforms of the time.

            Following this is a chapter on T-34-85 production with charts showing the numbers produced by the six factories involved during the war (112, 174, 183 ChTZ, 183 UTZ, STZ, CzKZ and UTZM) with again many wartime photos of T-34-85s to compliment the descriptive text including a couple of photos of the T-34’s with bedspring armour in Berlin 1945 that will be useful for the new Dragon T-34-85 kit.

            Special Versions are covered in the next 8 pages with the text and photos showing the flamethrower and mine clearing versions as well as special propaganda tanks with large speakers mounted on the side fenders.

            The next chapter is an “Appraisal of the Tank” and as well as having a detailed appraisal of the T-34 there is also comparisons with contemporary vehicles such as the M4 Sherman and Panzer III/IV with charts on the performance of the various guns comparing the Russian F-34 76.2mm, US M3 75mm and German KwK40 and KwK37 75mm guns and another with the Russian D5, S-53 85mm, US M1 76mm, British 17 Pdr. and German Kwk40/KwK42 75mm guns.
            There are also more photos of destroyed tanks to illustrate the text with again the detailed captions giving further details.

            Moving on, the next 86 pages deal in great detail with the T-34 in the Polish Army from the inception in 1943 through to the 1960s and as well as detailed photo descriptions there are also lists of all serial numbers of known vehicles used by the Polish Army.

            Again the extensive text is accompanied with many wartime and post war photos of both the T-34-76 and T-34-85 that also show the crew uniforms and markings to good affect.

            All the post war T-34-85 photos are of vehicles on exercise but again show the markings and crew uniforms well along with the text giving details on the units as well as vehicles used.

            The remaining 175 pages are devoted to detailed close-up walk rounds of the hull and turrets with many extreme close-up detail shots of virtually every area of the vehicle with most photos showing just one particular detail such as different hull fittings with the captions indicating what factory produced detail is showing if not common to all hulls.

            There in one whole page with five different shots of the final drive housings to give some idea of the depth of detail shown with the engine and engine compartment also given the same coverage. Many of the details in the photos are complimented with line drawings from the field manuals to give an excellent perspective to the detail shown.

            The suspension is shown in the same close-up detail with again line drawings including cut-aways to further show the detail as well as page showing 9 photos of different types of road wheel designs with the captions giving notes on the type and dates introduced.

            The turrets are shown in the same close-up details with exterior and interior details plus the supplementary line drawings with two pages devoted to the different style cupolas and hatches as well as many exterior details shown in great detail.

            No less than 22 pages are devoted to detailed interior shots of the hull and turret showing everything from the ammo storage, driver’s gear levers and seat, the periscopes, ventilators and many other fittings again complimented with line drawings to make things clearer.

            The engine is also shown separate from the vehicle to give good all around views with close-ups of the various components with further line drawings showing the wiring.

            The next 14 pages have lists of known serial numbers produced from the various factories as well as listing unidentified numbers and should prove useful for the academic minded.

            The next 56 pages are devoted entirely to 1:35 plans of different vehicles starting with 6 sets of four view plans showing just the hulls without road wheels and turrets ranging from the 1940 hull for factory 183 to the 1944 hull from factory 112.

            This is followed by 12 pages with just 4 and 5 view plans of 23 different turrets ranging from the initial 1940 with L-11 gun through F-34 armed turrets to the 1944 85 turret with one showing the initial D-5 gun as well as the S-53. Turrets are shown from those produced in factories 112, 174, 183, STZ and UZTM showing the subtle difference between them.

            Next are thirty 5 view plans of complete vehicles again ranging from the early 1940 L-11 armed tank from factory 183 stepping though each notable development including one showing the long 57mm ZIS-2 gun 1941 tank finishing off with the factory 174 T-34-85 of 1944. There are just six T-34-85 plans with the remained covering various T-34-76 models plus additional scrap view plans showing 12 different track designs fitted to the T34, these are larger than 1:35 to better show the details with the tracks on the full vehicle plans showing the actual size in 1:35 scale. There is also a 3 view plan of the typical mine clearing roller used from mid 1943 onwards for anyone wanting to get into a bit of scratch building.

            There is also a page showing in 1:35 scale the varied add on armour plates carried on the glacis and turrets of some vehicles and these can be used as templates to cut out the plates in plastic card for use on models if required.

            The next 6 pages have colour 3D CAD drawings showing no less than 23 different road wheels designs, 6 different idler wheel designs and 9 different drive wheel designs to hopefully take some of the mystery of identifying these. Some have very minor differences which are not easy to see at first glance.

            There are also colour 3D drawings with cut way views of the turrets that give good perspective for the location of the various components that should prove useful.

            The next 11 pages have colour photos of a few full T-34-85s plus colour photos of the engine and interior showing the driver’s station and fighting compartment and turret interior and finally 3 pages with one side view colour illustrations giving markings and cam schemes for 12 tanks.

            Hard Cover, 520 pages, 880 B/W photographs, 56 pages of 1:35 scale drawings, 20 pages in colour, 36 colour interior photos.
            I have read the all pro's and cons of the book and based on the photo's and images contained in a large format book I think for the 100.00 USD price it is well worth it considering the following:

            https://www.amazon.com/T-34-Mythical...ythical+Weapon

            Regards,Kurt
            Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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            • #7
              Kurt-
              I found out years ago that this group has a bias against the author of this book and the work itself. A man who tries to say that the T-34 was not a good tank can not be believed, especially if he is a Pole (Poles hate Russians.) I think many that criticized the book didn't even read it but I decided not to continue to fight the current. Interestingly what I just read in Armored Champions tells me that for a period of time the T-34 was indeed not a very good tank. The Soviets, said Zaloga, needed to produce, produce, produce. They cut costs and production time and ended up with a tank that was subpar in many ways. Perhaps Zaloga has established himself as an armor expert and can say these things but Michulec can not. If you make models and like drawings the book is worth some bucks, but if that is all you want it for you can get a Polish copy for $49.00.

              https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...130288&sr=1-52
              John

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              • #8
                I have read well over 1000 books on armour in WW2 alone. I know when a book is biased and when it is objective. The problem is not that the authors say the T34 Is not the best tank in WW2 but that they say (over and over and over again) that it was the worst tank in WW2. They even claim the Pz IV was a better tank! To 'prove' this they pick a few examples where German soldiers say they were bested by the T34 and spend a whole chapter saying these Germans had no idea what a T34 looked like and they were in fact describing engagements with KV tanks. They even resort to claiming Guderian was also suffering from an inability to distinguish between a T34 and a KV.
                The combat chapter in the book is a travesty of the facts. The authors miss no chance to denigrate everything Soviet and the unrelenting put-downs of Russian equipment is off-putting. It is so bad that it makes you doubt the authors sanity.
                By all means buy it for the photos but ignore the historical narrative. I get about the internet and I have not yet seen anyone (other than discredited 2nd rate bloggers)use that book's combat assessment of the T34 to bolster or reinforce their T34 criticism
                Last edited by m kenny; 28 Jun 16, 11:44.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kurt Knispel View Post
                  I think for the 100.00 USD price it is well worth it considering the following:
                  The price asked for on Amazon is fixed by the number of searches done on that title. Booksellers get together to work out a 'rarity' index and the resale price means nothing. If you want to get an idea of what it is really worth phone a dealer and tell him you have one to sell and see what you are offered.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JBark View Post
                    If you make models and like drawings the book is worth some bucks, but if that is all you want it for you can get a Polish copy for $49.00.

                    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...130288&sr=1-52
                    This book is a smaller size (7x9) and lacks the extensive post-war Polish use of the T34 section. The drawings and detailed views of museum T34s are missing as well. In truth it is just the first half of the larger book concentrating on WW2.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JBark View Post
                      Kurt-
                      I found out years ago that this group has a bias against the author of this book and the work itself. A man who tries to say that the T-34 was not a good tank can not be believed, especially if he is a Pole (Poles hate Russians.) I think many that criticized the book didn't even read it but I decided not to continue to fight the current. Interestingly what I just read in Armored Champions tells me that for a period of time the T-34 was indeed not a very good tank. The Soviets, said Zaloga, needed to produce, produce, produce. They cut costs and production time and ended up with a tank that was subpar in many ways. Perhaps Zaloga has established himself as an armor expert and can say these things but Michulec can not. If you make models and like drawings the book is worth some bucks, but if that is all you want it for you can get a Polish copy for $49.00.

                      https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...130288&sr=1-52
                      Originally posted by m kenny View Post
                      I have read well over 1000 books on armour in WW2 alone. I know when a book is biased and when it is objective. The problem is not that the authors say the T34 Is not the best tank in WW2 but that they say (over and over and over again) that it was the worst tank in WW2. They even claim the Pz IV was a better tank! To 'prove' this they pick a few examples where German soldiers say they were bested by the T34 and spend a whole chapter saying these Germans had no idea what a T34 looked like and they were in fact describing engagements with KV tanks. They even resort to claiming Guderian was also suffering from an inability to distinguish between a T34 and a KV.
                      The combat chapter in the book is a travesty of the facts. The authors miss no chance to denigrate everything Soviet and the unrelenting put-downs of Russian equipment is off-putting. It is so bad that it makes you doubt the authors sanity.
                      By all means buy it for the photos but ignore the historical narrative. I get about the internet and I have not yet seen anyone (other than discredited 2nd rate bloggers)use that book's combat assessment of the T34 to bolster or reinforce their T34 criticism
                      Thanks for the info but I am going to buy it anyway and get other books about the overall performance of the T-34 in WWII (I already have one) I don't doubt your expertise on tanks M.K. but the photo's and drawings in large format is for me ok for the 100 bucks. J.B. do Poles really hate Russians?

                      Regards,Kurt
                      Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JBark View Post
                        " ... if that is all you want it for you can get a Polish copy for $49.00. ...
                        The technical drawings and photos are almost all I'd want a copy for, if I buy one; and 49 bucks is a lot better than 100.
                        (Maybe I can even use the text pages for arse paper if they are not too glossy or scratchy. )
                        ..... on the other hand, though:

                        Originally posted by m kenny View Post
                        This book is a smaller size (7x9) and lacks the extensive post-war Polish use of the T34 section. The drawings and detailed views of museum T34s are missing as well. In truth it is just the first half of the larger book concentrating on WW2.
                        Oh bugger! I want ALL the drawings and pictures. I wouldn't mind the section on Polish T-34s either. Looks like I'm locked in to the full version after all!
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                        • #13
                          The T-34 was scary enough for the Nazi's so that the Panther was conceived.

                          If a counter is required, a counter that uses huge amounts of economic resources, then the T-34 can be considered a sound and effective design.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
                            The T-34 was scary enough for the Nazi's so that the Panther was conceived.

                            If a counter is required, a counter that uses huge amounts of economic resources, then the T-34 can be considered a sound and effective design.
                            (My emphasis)
                            1.) I'd wonder if your choice of words here is best? The Germans thought they needed the Panther after destroying, and continuing to destroy quantities of T-34's.
                            2.) This "sound and effective" tank had a good number of critical faults from what I have read.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JBark View Post
                              (My emphasis)
                              1.) I'd wonder if your choice of words here is best? The Germans thought they needed the Panther after destroying, and continuing to destroy quantities of T-34's.
                              2.) This "sound and effective" tank had a good number of critical faults from what I have read.
                              The Germans improvised and found other means to destroy and disable thousands of T-34's before they had a tank to meet it head on by the end of 1942 with the up-gunning of the Mark IV with the 75mm HV cannon and the production of the Tiger tank. They took advantage of the Soviets tank attacking tactics and the faults of the T-34 that you had mentioned. Here is an interesting link on the Germans PAK guns.

                              http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=79&t=133403

                              Of course the Stuka's knocked out many T-34's during Barbarossa and also of note many soldiers in the Wehrmacht realized they could easily slip out of a trench and attach a magnetic shape charge on the T-34 because of the limited visibility of the buttoned up tank commander/gunner.

                              Regards,Kurt
                              Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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