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  • Pz.Kpfw. IV

    This was an overall good tank. Not as heavily armed or armoured than Tigers or Panthers, but (With the L/43 or L/48 gun.) still more so than Shermans and T-34's. Over 9,000 were produced from 1937-1945.

    Specifications

    Armor: 10 - 80 mm
    Primary armament: 7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24 (Ausf. A-F1); 7.5 cm KwK 40 L/43 (Ausf. F2-Early G); 7.5 cm KwK 40 L/48 (Ausf. Late G-J), 87 rounds
    Secondary armament: 2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34, 3,150 rounds
    Engine: 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM 300 PS (296 hp, 220.6 kW)
    Power/weight: 12.0 PS/t (8.8 kW/t)
    Suspension: leaf spring
    Operational range: 210 km
    Speed: 40 km/h (road) 18 km/h (off-road)
    Weight: 25 tonnes
    Length: 7.02 m (gun forward)
    Width: 2.88 m (3.33 m with side skirts)
    Height: 2.68 m
    Crew: 5 (commander, gunner, loader, driver, radio operator/bow machine-gunner)





    "Do you like your new weapon? It's wonderful...Try it on yourselves, not others. I told you, this tank reacts to impulses of fear. Try not to think of danger. The machine can read your thoughts..."

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    Yes, a fine tank indeed for its time and the chassis proved highly reliable and adaptable. The PzKpfw IV isn't my outright favourite WW2 German tank (guess which one is ) but it's definitely in the 'very well liked' category. Within my 1/35 scale model kit collection I have no less than 11 Panzer 4's, each a slightly different variant of course.
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
      Yes, a fine tank indeed for its time and the chassis proved highly reliable and adaptable. The PzKpfw IV isn't my outright favourite WW2 German tank (guess which one is ) but it's definitely in the 'very well liked' category. Within my 1/35 scale model kit collection I have no less than 11 Panzer 4's, each a slightly different variant of course.
      Eh, built I assume!

      From memory, wasn't there about twelve variants built?
      "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
      Ernest Hemingway.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Achtung baby View Post
        "Eh, built I assume!"
        One built to completion, one about half done, one just started, the remaining eight untouched.

        Originally posted by Achtung baby View Post
        "From memory, wasn't there about twelve variants built?"
        The nine basic designated tank variants were Ausf. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and J but the F was produced in two 'sub variants'; F1 and F2, differing in armament (short or long gun) which means you could count ten. However, there is next to naff all difference between the F2 and the early G which subsequently made the F2 designation effectively 'redundant'. Furthermore, with rebuilds and retrofits the boundaries between one Ausfuhrung and the next in a number of instances can become a little blurry to the observer sometimes!
        Last edited by panther3485; 28 Jul 08, 06:06.
        "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
        Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
          One built to completion, one about half done, one just started, the remaining eight untouched.



          The nine basic designated tank variants were Ausf. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and J but the F was produced in two 'sub variants'; F1 and F2, differing in armament (short or long gun) which means you could count ten. However, there is next to naff all difference between the F2 and the early G which subsequently made the F2 designation effectively 'redundant'. Furthermore, with rebuilds and retrofits the boundaries between one Ausfuhrung and the next in a number of instances can become a little blurry to the observer sometimes!
          Panther...do you think overall Germany would have been better off if it had just mass produced the cheaper costing Pzkpfw IV (L75 versions of course) and Sturmgeschutz instead of less numbers of Panthers and Tigers?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by skoblin View Post
            Panther...do you think overall Germany would have been better off if it had just mass produced the cheaper costing Pzkpfw IV (L75 versions of course) and Sturmgeschutz instead of less numbers of Panthers and Tigers?
            If you dig into the archives there has been plenty of threads about that, but Tigers were slightly different from the list you chose... these were break through tanks, never to be mass produced.
            "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
            Ernest Hemingway.

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            • #7
              The AAF Tank Museum (Danville, VA) has an H model. [Link]
              "Do you like your new weapon? It's wonderful...Try it on yourselves, not others. I told you, this tank reacts to impulses of fear. Try not to think of danger. The machine can read your thoughts..."

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              • #8
                Should this thread be stickied? It's similar to the Tiger tank thread, but for another tank.
                "Do you like your new weapon? It's wonderful...Try it on yourselves, not others. I told you, this tank reacts to impulses of fear. Try not to think of danger. The machine can read your thoughts..."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by skoblin View Post
                  "Panther...do you think overall Germany would have been better off if it had just mass produced the cheaper costing Pzkpfw IV (L75 versions of course) and Sturmgeschutz instead of less numbers of Panthers and Tigers?"
                  I don't think it would have affected the outcome of the war, nor even significantly lengthened/shortened it if that's what you mean. That said, I still reckon it would have been more 'ideal' to standardize on a single proven medium tank design, and stick with it, much like the Soviets with their T-34 or the USA with their M4 Sherman - had the Germans believed themselves to be in a position to do so. Trouble is, it wasn't that straightforward for them. I could go on (if you really want me to), but as AB says this subject has been flogged over a number of times on these forums already.
                  "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                  Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cougar1 View Post
                    "Should this thread be stickied? It's similar to the Tiger tank thread, but for another tank."
                    I'll throw the idea across the table and see what happens.

                    EDIT: OK cougar1 and guys, got approval from one of the 'higher ups' at forum HQ and this thread has been 'stickied' as requested.
                    Last edited by panther3485; 29 Jul 08, 04:17.
                    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                      I'll throw the idea across the table and see what happens.

                      EDIT: OK cougar1 and guys, got approval from one of the 'higher ups' at forum HQ and this thread has been 'stickied' as requested.
                      Does this mean we get to see all your eleven Panzer IV models now panther3485!

                      Good on ya cougar1, keep posting the good info'
                      "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                      Ernest Hemingway.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Achtung baby View Post
                        "Does this mean we get to see all your eleven Panzer IV models now panther3485!"
                        If you don't mind seeing mostly unbuilt kits as previously described, no worries mate!
                        "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                        Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks!
                          "Do you like your new weapon? It's wonderful...Try it on yourselves, not others. I told you, this tank reacts to impulses of fear. Try not to think of danger. The machine can read your thoughts..."

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                          • #14
                            Tracks in the Sand---Long-Barreled Pz. IVs in the Desert

                            Just ran across this interesting page and thought that I ought to share it with everyone else. Enjoy!

                            http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...sInTheSand.htm

                            Alex
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                            • #15
                              Thanks!
                              "Do you like your new weapon? It's wonderful...Try it on yourselves, not others. I told you, this tank reacts to impulses of fear. Try not to think of danger. The machine can read your thoughts..."

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