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    Does anyone know the difference between Ostketten and Winterketten?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tom D View Post
    Does anyone know the difference between Ostketten and Winterketten?
    Sounds to me to be one and the same. Tire Chains! Ostketten might be refering more to the mud than snow. Winterketten just plain old tire chains.

    Don't take that to the bank but you might bet on it.

    HP
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Half Pint View Post
      "Don't take that to the bank but you might bet on it."
      I wouldn't.
      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
      Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
        I wouldn't.






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        Axis History Forum

        From a previous discussion:

        Wolfkin wrote:
        Winterketten

        Winterketten were developed in 1942 for use in winter conditions on the Eastern Front. These were basically a normal track with track extensions that protruded from the ends of the tracks. These are recognizable by the long triangular extensions. These were usually found on the PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be seen on Hummel, Hornisse and other vehicles.

        Ostketten

        Ostketten were developed in 1944 for use in the muddy conditions in the Spring and Autumn on the Eastern Front, the Rasputitsa. These were basically a wider track than the usual track which was fitted. There were no triangular extensions, just a wider track. These were for use usually on the PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be found on other vehicles. When seen on the PzKpfw IV it looks like a PzKpfw V Panther track on a PzKpfw IV.

        I hope this helps!

        Cheers,

        Wolfkin

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        HP
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Half Pint View Post




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          Axis History Forum

          From a previous discussion:




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          HP
          Nice to see I don't have to do all the work around here!

          btw, it was the "Sounds to me to be one and the same" bit I objected to. The rest of it was sort of OK, in a vague way.

          P.S. - A number of references confuse the two; little wonder readers get confused, especially relative newcomers to the subject.
          Last edited by panther3485; 09 Aug 07, 08:05.
          "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
          Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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          • #6
            I just "googled" it and found this:

            http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...er=asc&start=0

            This is good...photos, explanation...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tom D View Post
              I just "googled" it and found this:

              http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...er=asc&start=0

              This is good...photos, explanation...

              Looks a lot like post #4 this thread

              HP
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                Nice to see I don't have to do all the work around here!

                btw, it was the "Sounds to me to be one and the same" bit I objected to. The rest of it was sort of OK, in a vague way.

                P.S. - A number of references confuse the two; little wonder readers get confused, especially relative newcomers to the subject.
                I was really thinking more of chains than tracks. Your little jab made me think again.
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Half Pint View Post
                  I was really thinking more of chains than tracks. Your little jab made me think again.
                  No wuckers.

                  The Axis History Forum guy has it right. Interestingly, more than just one or two references get it wrong (calling Winterketten Ostketten, for example). Some of them are references that would normally be considered reliable (and normally are) but it looks like one or two authors 'goofed' or just got the wrong end of the stick (or rather, maybe, their publishers did) and some others copied them. I've seen it lead to some heated debate before this!
                  "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                  Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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