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  • Tanks! 05 - Sturmgeschutze

    Some good footage on this program.

    Credo quia absurdum.


    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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    Well, everything they said about the SturmTiger was wrong.

    There were 13 made. The prototypes saw brief employment in the destruction of Warsaw in 1944. Other than that, I know of only one confirmed use and that was against US units in Operation Grenade where the rockets they fired were noted as being "V-2's" and did almost zero damage.

    The one unit that was to participate in the Ardennes offensive did nothing as it's vehicles had broken down prior to the start and were later evacuated across the Rhine. They and the rest were either destroyed or captured during the encirclement of the Rhur and accomplished absolutely nothing.

    Oh, it was 13 manufactured. They went to three units: Sturm Kp 1001, 1002 and 1003.

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    • #3
      any idea as to how many stugs served on the russian front or in the west
      Oh Sure The Old Man's Off His Rocker If Grampa Says He's Dead He Must Be Alive
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      • #4
        I re-watched that video on the OP. God... It is horrid. There is so much wrong in it it's not really worth watching. They get just about everything wrong starting with conflating jadgpanzer with sturmgeschultz. These are two entirely different purpose vehicles although as the war progressed, they became more interchangeable.

        The Hetzer was disparaged and disliked by most crew, if their commentary on it is to be read. They though the vehicle was too cramped, the crew layout poor, the ability to abandon the vehicle made it a death trap, visibility from it buttoned up poor, and self-defense with the available machinegun was nearly useless.

        Many of the pictures shown are misnarrated. For example, at one point they show a train load of JgPz IV (the Alkett interm version with the higher superstructure) moving to a front. They claim these are Jadgpanther.

        The Marder series wasn't intended as sturmgeschultz at any time. They were an early and quick attempt to get 75mm antitank guns on a mobile chassis. In that respect, they were quite successful. It was when they had to be pressed into service as assault guns that they really failed.

        Here's the original video:

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        • #5
          This is from the Sturmtiger Wiki entry:

          During the battle for the bridge at Remagen, German forces mobilized Sturmmörserkompanie 1000 and 1001 (a total of 7 units) to take part in the battle. The Sturmtigers were originally tasked with using their howitzers against the bridge itself, though it was discovered that they lacked the accuracy needed to effectively hit the bridge. During this action, one of the Sturmtigers in Sturmmörserkompanie 1001 near Düren and Euskirchen hit a group of stationary Shermans tanks in a village with a 380mm round, resulting in nearly all the Shermans being put out of action, and their crews killed or wounded.[3][4] After the bridge fell to the Allies, Sturmmörserkompanie 1000 and 1001 were tasked with bombardment of Allied forces to cover the German retreat, as opposed to the bunker busting for which they were originally designed.

          That and their service in the Ghetto seems to be the extent of their actions.
          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
            Some good footage on this program.

            No link...
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            • #7
              Very poor video historically. The authors clearly don't know the difference between StuGs, jagdpanzers and heavy SP assault guns. They also have no idea what ammo was used in the two types fielded - one was a howitzer firing a 150mm shell and other fired a much larger rocket shell.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                This is from the Sturmtiger Wiki entry:




                That and their service in the Ghetto seems to be the extent of their actions.
                It was never used in the Warsaw Ghetto but later in the 1944 Warsaw uprising two entirely different events
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                  It was never used in the Warsaw Ghetto but later in the 1944 Warsaw uprising two entirely different events
                  The Warsaw uprising took place in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, not '44.

                  The Warsaw ghetto uprising was a violent revolt that occurred from April 19 to May 16, 1943, during World War II. Residents of the Jewish ghetto in Nazi-occupied Warsaw, Poland, staged the armed revolt to prevent deportations to Nazi-run extermination camps.
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