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  • #16
    Doesn't help when a genuine quest for knowledge, turns into a couple of long winded bastards handbagging one another, on some atom of barely relevant minutia.
    The long toll of the brave
    Is not lost in darkness
    Over the fruitful earth
    And athwart the seas
    Hath passed the light of noble deeds
    Unquenchable forever.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Von Richter View Post
      Doesn't help when a genuine quest for knowledge, turns into a couple of long winded bastards handbagging one another, on some atom of barely relevant minutia.

      Yes, but what colour buttons were the Middle Guard at Waterloo wearing?


      I like long winded bastards handbagging eachother over barely relevant minutiae.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

        That's a commitment to military history few can or are willing, to make, I suspect, in addition to other obligations/interests obviously,

        I'm lucky to be able to spend some time reading history during work hours, and have a long list of "Must carefully read later"-links on the right hand side of my screen,

        but rarely do they lead to detailed historical posts of my own I'm afraid...
        I have tried to start threads mainly about campaigns and battles in WWII but it seems nobody is interested. I do notice that threads on what was the best plane, ship, tank, technology get a lot of input and debates. Threads like that have been discussed ad nauseum here.

        Reading of new material which cult icon mentioned, especially with all the new available sources, helps with jumping in on a thread. I would think that anyone joining a site like this would take the time to read and be knowledgeable on the multitudes of subjects pertaining to WWII and, for that matter, all military history since the ancient times. After all this site is called Arm Chair General. How can you be an ACG without reading to gain the proper knowledge?
        Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kurt Knispel View Post
          I have tried to start threads mainly about campaigns and battles in WWII but it seems nobody is interested.
          It's not that I'm not interested - I read the threads,

          yours and Cult Icon's too, Armstrong and others, I spread a bit of rep around when I can,

          but I simply lack the detailed knowledge to add anything of value to the discussion - sorry


          Perhaps we need to accept that good historical discussion does not move forward at 10 posts an hour, like political arguments do....
          Last edited by Snowygerry; 23 Sep 20, 08:16.
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          • #20
            I do see a decline in the quality (background knowledge) of posting but have hope that it will improve. Some may be tired of the same topics being gone over but that is the cost of an open forum. Many do not know how to search for past threads. I have used this site for many years as a place to see what others present and understand. It has been a starting point for research. I appreciate when references are provided so that I may look for more information myself, but most others probably maybe not so. I am also optimistic on the future of military history, especially WW II. New books are coming out with a fresh look and new uncovered information. Yes, some are not as fresh or with really new information but they are reaching a new audience who may not have been exposed to the classics many of us are aware of. I started to really appreciate this back in the 70's with books by Al Nofi and James Dunnigan. This has sparked me to do more research and look deeper than just a single source or book. Some of the recent books I am referring to: Persian Gulf Command by Ashley Jackson 2018 The Rise of the G.I. Army by Paul Dickson 2020 Sand & Steel by Peter Caddick-Adams 2019 Snow & Steel same author 2015 Major General James A. Ulio: How the Adjutant General of the U.S. Army Enabled Allied Victory by Alan Mesches 2020 I also search used book stores for older out of print books which have been forgotten and do not appear when searching online. Maybe we need to generate a list of new topics or discussions that can revitalize the masses.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JBark View Post
              There was a time not too long ago when this forum was full of discussion, multiple posts, votes and involved discussions on the best of the war, etc., and much, much more. Where has it all gone? Was everything discussed? Have forums been replaced? Did everyone go to an alternate universe?
              What changed?

              Wadda ya mean what changed?"
              Istopped running the show, that's what!!

              Or maybe I felt I couldn't have as free a rein as I was used to?

              Cripes when I ran my thread-starters we had the best discussions, liveliest debates, biggest but most properly presented controversies.
              I could stop drivel in it's tracks and get the absolute best out of everyone.

              However.....with the passage of time .............
              The Forum failed to continue to support it's resident demi-god and has paid the price.

              Give me a free-hand again like I had in face to face University tutes back in the early to mid seventies, get on board in my wake, let me do most of the talking and our days of greatness will return, trust me.

              Come on you guys and gals aren't gonna live forever.

              Regards
              lodestar

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Gooner View Post


                Yes, but what colour buttons were the Middle Guard at Waterloo wearing?
                Some say...
                there was no such thing as a Middle Guard at Waterloo, so button it!

                The long toll of the brave
                Is not lost in darkness
                Over the fruitful earth
                And athwart the seas
                Hath passed the light of noble deeds
                Unquenchable forever.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kurt Knispel View Post
                  I would think that anyone joining a site like this would take the time to read and be knowledgeable on the multitudes of subjects pertaining to WWII and, for that matter, all military history since the ancient times. After all this site is called Arm Chair General. How can you be an ACG without reading to gain the proper knowledge ?
                  My 'knowledge' of WWII is anecdotal mostly and local - I can hold my own in a discussion on the events here in Belgium 1940, but not the East Front I'm afraid.

                  One can spend a lifetime just reading first hand accounts and I suspect you'd need to read both Russian and German to get a good picture - I prefer to read medieval or modern military history honestly, rather than recent.
                  Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                  Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                  • #24
                    I'm part of the younger crowd here (only 35 years old , and mainly interested in WW2 military history, which is why I stumbled upon these forums several years ago. I'm not as well-read like you guys are, so I cannot contribute very much, but reading the heated debates and clashing of opinions (when those still retain a somewhat respectable tone) was a highlight for me.

                    I also frequent the Reddit boards, namely the r/WarCollege, which is also full of knowledgeable people and prompt responses. However, the difference between Reddit and ACG is that when a question is posted on Reddit, the discussion usually dies down after a day or two, mostly because the question has been addressed adequately, and some due to the fact that Reddit is more "minute" by design. Older threads get buried quickly, and no one really re-visits threads from, say, last week, to add anything of value. In this regard, ACG is still valuable, because it allows users to re-visit old threads again and spark the discussion back to life with new facts.

                    Just as an example-- a couple of weeks ago, there was a discussion about the best generals of WW2 on Reddit (yes, the old never-ending debate), and while the thread was full of responses, all interesting and supported by good arguments, no one made any contribution after two days, and the debate made no conclusions.

                    Here, a discussion can make some headway, and can evolve through time. So, don't give up, lads Even if I may be the only one of the young crowd here, I come back once a week to check if the old book worms are still alive and kicking.

                    Maybe, for a recommendation, we could open some debates about certain battles on the Eastern front (or Western Front, or Africa, or Pacific,..). I'm sure there can be some new insights with new facts. There's a guy on Youtube, called TIK, he makes very interesting in-depth videos about WW2 battles. He covered the Courland Pocket and Operation Crusader and he is currently working on the Stalingrad battle. He uses a lot of different sources, and he is quite keen on myth busting. It might be interesting if you guys watch it and offer some well-meaning critique here. I'm sure there's plenty of meat to chew on.

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                    • #25
                      Part of it is the visibility of this web site. Part is its awkward to use. Difficult to read the categories ect... Forums like Alternate History have much clearer presentation and site navigation. Here I waste time on navigation & the graphics here aggravate my Dyslexia, slowing me down further.

                      Anyone unfamiliar with ACG is more likely to pass it by, and more likely to stop at Axis History Forum, ect...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post

                        I still have a lot of passion for WW2 combat but I haven't been able to post much due to too many commitments elsewhere.

                        There are a lot of topics that haven't been covered yet. The state of WW2 combat literature is at an all-time high, the problem is that people on the boards aren't keeping up with it because it is a task that takes at least a thousand hours of studying. They either lost interest or found other outlets. Basically if one stopped studying WW2 combat in the 2000s you're already badly out of date.

                        As we have seen, too many old men in their 60s, 70s, and 80s rather spend the remains of their days doing worthless and vile political rants than seeking knowledge. Or posting the same WW2 agenda based rhetoric over and over again.
                        Who're you calling "old"? I really couldn't care less regarding the pro-left/right rants of some of those others. I can discuss the early PTO from the USMC perspective and also the USN side. I especially follow the exploits of USS SOUTH DAKOTA's second tour in the Pacific. I'm also very interested in the HEIC European Infantry and Artillery during the First and Second Sikh Wars, the Sutlej and the Punjab Campaigns of the late 1840's and the Indian Mutiny of 1857. (Both of these subjects interest me because of family ties - my father served as a USMC officer during Guadalcanal and later as CO of the marine detachment aboard BB-57. My great grandfather served as a C/SGM in the HEIC European artillery from 1845-58 and then was absorbed into the Royal Artillery from which he retired.
                        So, I have more than just a passing interest in things historically military.
                        Growing up my circle of friends always were bragging on what "my dad did in the war". And the 'war' was WW2. All our dads were veterans -of the Army in North Africa/Italy/Western Europe, -the Navy in the North Atlantic/Pacific, -the Marines in the island campaigns of the Pacific...and all had the stories that they told their kids. They had their stories that they never told their kids too. The ones overheard when the dads got together, talking and smoking on the porch, after dark and bedtime. So we got genuine first-person accounts of how things were. That make us "old dudes" real students of recent history and probably a lot more schooled in it than you may think.
                        Just sayin'...
                        Last edited by Jose50; 30 Sep 20, 12:40.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                          Growing up my circle of friends always were bragging on what "my dad did in the war".
                          Here that usually begets the question '....and what did your mother do in the war ?'

                          Every family history is 'war history' here, not just those that joined the army either.
                          Last edited by Snowygerry; 01 Oct 20, 00:51.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                            Here that usually begets the question '....and what did your mother do in the war ?'

                            Every family history is 'war history' here, not just those that joined the army either.
                            Well...funny thing about your last...that's how my mom and dad met. He was sent back to the hospital at Parris Island just before August 1945 for tests and she was his nurse. My mom was in the Navy Nurse Corps and as such was a commissioned USN officer.
                            She had previously been stationed in Newport RI Navy Base and also the Naval Hospital in Chelsea Mass. where she worked extensively with burn cases of USAAC airmen. I still have her LT's shoulder boards and boat cloak.
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                            • #29
                              I think there's a lot of interest in tanks these days because of popular games like World Of Tanks, War Thunder, Hell Let Loose and Post Scriptum. I saw a war history magazine here in Sweden a while ago that said that never before have there been a bigger interest in WWII tanks.

                              Maybe you should try out these forums? I think there's a lot of young people there who'd love to learn from knowledgable and unbiased veterans about these topics.

                              https://www.reddit.com/r/WWIItanks/
                              https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/
                              https://forum.warthunder.com/index.p...al-discussion/
                              http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.p...l-discussions/

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Kurt Knispel View Post

                                I have tried to start threads mainly about campaigns and battles in WWII but it seems nobody is interested. I do notice that threads on what was the best plane, ship, tank, technology get a lot of input and debates. Threads like that have been discussed ad nauseum here.

                                Reading of new material which cult icon mentioned, especially with all the new available sources, helps with jumping in on a thread. I would think that anyone joining a site like this would take the time to read and be knowledgeable on the multitudes of subjects pertaining to WWII and, for that matter, all military history since the ancient times. After all this site is called Arm Chair General. How can you be an ACG without reading to gain the proper knowledge?
                                I do find them interesting . Unfortunately, I often do not know enough about the subject matter to make a decent contribution. This is certainly true concerning the Eastern front.

                                Please keep posting.
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