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    I'm currently looking to write some stuff, but I need some pointers.

    I'm after both an Italian Tank "hero". Sort of an Italian version of Wittman, or a remarkable tank action with the Italians dishing out the punishment.

    Equally I'm also looking for examples of Chinese Tank Vs Tank combat during WWII.

    The reason why I'm asking is I just can't find anything and I can't recall any examples. I thought I might get somewhere with the Chinese at Kunlun pass, however the Japanese forces don't seem to include any tanks.

    So any ideas?
    Winnie says
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  • #2
    It seems only the Maletti group is of note as to whats readily available and was completely wiped out in Africa

    here is a link that might help
    http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...tanks-and-AFVs
    I found a cool battle doc I'll try to post it
    grognard.com/reviews1/dak.doc

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Brumbear View Post
      It seems only the Maletti group is of note as to whats readily available and was completely wiped out in Africa

      here is a link that might help
      http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...tanks-and-AFVs
      I found a cool battle doc I'll try to post it
      grognard.com/reviews1/dak.doc
      Thanks, but I just don't see anything on them performing practically well.
      Winnie says
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      "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

      It was an Accident."
      Herr Flick.

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      • #4
        Just facing the enemy in M13/40 would make you a hero.

        On the other hand, paratroopers at Al Alamein,colonials at Keren,long range desert troops,Littorio counterattack,Alpini...they would make a interesting story.But as I guess,you are interested in tanks...

        Why not Hungarians?or Romanians for that matter?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by nikolas93TS View Post
          Just facing the enemy in M13/40 would make you a hero.

          On the other hand, paratroopers at Al Alamein,colonials at Keren,long range desert troops,Littorio counterattack,Alpini...they would make a interesting story.But as I guess,you are interested in tanks...

          Why not Hungarians?or Romanians for that matter?
          This is an armour subforum but feel free to post any Italian success in the main forum . The Italian frogmen were particuarly good iirc.

          If you know of any Hungarian or Romanian tank actions also feel free to post them .
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          • #6
            Originally posted by nikolas93TS View Post
            Why not Hungarians?or Romanians for that matter?
            I have Orlik for Poland
            Tarczay for Hungary
            Sgt Harris for UK
            Tamada for Japan

            Missing are Czechoslovakian, Hungarian Romanian, Chinese, and Italian.
            Winnie says
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            "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

            It was an Accident."
            Herr Flick.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Listy View Post
              I have Orlik for Poland
              Tarczay for Hungary
              Sgt Harris for UK
              Tamada for Japan

              Missing are Czechoslovakian, Hungarian Romanian, Chinese, and Italian.
              Finnish?

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              • #8
                A discussion on Nationalist Chinese armor:

                http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=101&t=84936

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  A discussion on Nationalist Chinese armor:

                  http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=101&t=84936
                  Thanks, its given me some leads to have a look at.
                  Winnie says
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                  "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

                  It was an Accident."
                  Herr Flick.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Listy View Post
                    Missing are ..., and Italian.
                    http://www.ferreamole.it/images/eroi/medaglie.htm

                    Individual decorations awarded are at the end of the page. Livio Pentimalli's text explaining why he deserved a Gold Medal for Military Valor mentions that he carried out three separate brave actions in which he destroyed with his platoon several enemy tanks. Many other Italian tankers listed on that page, on the contrary, mainly received the medal for dying bravely in their hopelessly outclassed vehicles; or for deeds of bravery they carried out on foot. To be a Wittmann, riding a Tiger is probably very useful.
                    Michele

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                    • #11
                      Awesome link I think !!!
                      As a fore mentioned the Italians were bringing a knife to a gunfight and possibly all should be sited for Bravery in the face of the enemy!!!!
                      I was reading the 200 page doc I linked (sorry ya got to copy and paste it for it to work)and it describes unit actions but not individual ones so far.
                      Sorry I couldn't be more helpful

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brumbear View Post
                        Awesome link I think !!!
                        As a fore mentioned the Italians were bringing a knife to a gunfight and possibly all should be sited for Bravery in the face of the enemy!!!!
                        I was reading the 200 page doc I linked (sorry ya got to copy and paste it for it to work)and it describes unit actions but not individual ones so far.
                        Sorry I couldn't be more helpful
                        I wish I could read Italian.
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                        • #13
                          See what you can find on the drubbing 7th Arm'd bde got at Bir el Gubi in the opening days of Operation Crusader in late Nov 1941.

                          The brigade, fighting on its own, again without support, was sent west from Gabr Saleh to search for the DAK. They stumbled upon the deployment area of Ariete and its dug in Bersaglieri regiment. Lacking the means to do otherwise the British undertook a series of charges into the Italian AT guns and were then taken in the flank by a battalion of Italian tanks. By the end of the action the British were forced to withdraw leaving behind some 40 odd tanks from the 120-ish they started out with that morning.

                          In the meantime 4th Arm'd bde, also fighting alone, did find the DAK and spent the day being shot up by German tanks and AT guns. This brigade also lost about another 40 tanks and was scattered.
                          Last edited by The Purist; 05 Dec 12, 11:12.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Michele View Post
                            http://www.ferreamole.it/images/eroi/medaglie.htm

                            Individual decorations awarded are at the end of the page. Livio Pentimalli's text explaining why he deserved a Gold Medal for Military Valor mentions that he carried out three separate brave actions in which he destroyed with his platoon several enemy tanks. Many other Italian tankers listed on that page, on the contrary, mainly received the medal for dying bravely in their hopelessly outclassed vehicles; or for deeds of bravery they carried out on foot. To be a Wittmann, riding a Tiger is probably very useful.
                            Now we're cooking with gas!
                            However the citation is very limited in its description and Italian (I used google translate).

                            Do we have an exact date for this engament? As the citation only gives a rougth date of
                            May 26, 1942 - Tobruk June 21, 1942
                            which isn't usefull to work with to find accounts from the other side. Ideally a more precise location as well.
                            Winnie says
                            ---------------------------------
                            "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

                            It was an Accident."
                            Herr Flick.

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                            • #15
                              IIRC the Ariete Division fought with Rommel in North Africa. They performed well in the siege of Tobruk. You may be able to find some info if you research that.


                              Hope it helps


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