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    Mr. Jednak survived Nazi Ustasha massacre perpetrated on the Serbian civilians during WWII.
    These stills were taken from "Cine Pro" video documentary done by Pancevo author Miroslav ("Mika") Stankovic.

    The sole survivor, of Glina church massacre, Mr. Ljubo Jednak speaks: the first part shows many stills of him, keep scrolling down to view pics and info..

    http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/...ePro/index.htm

  • #2
    Ustasha were worst of all collaborationist troops in Yugoslavia.

    Very sad...Glina was not only massacre,there were hundreds of them all over Croatia,Bosnia and Western Serbia.
    It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.

    Косово је Србија!
    Never go to war with a country whose national holiday celebrates a defeat in 1389.

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    • #3
      He's got a Gorbachev-like mark on his forehead. It's cool.

      "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
      --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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      • #4
        Allow me to give you a tip; don't link to serb fascist hate sites on here, it lowers the quality of this fine forum. That site features:

        *Srebrenica genocide denial bull****.

        *Racak massacre denial bull****.

        *Articles denying the mass rapes committed by Serb fascists.

        *Countless links praising the nazi (I mean that literally he served the nazis) draza mihailovic who committed a genocide of his own against Bosniaks and other non-Serbs. Here are quotes from draza's mission statement:

        "The creation of Greater Yugoslavia, and within it Greater Serbia, ethnically clean within the borders of Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Srem, Banat, and Bačka"

        "The cleansing of all national minorities and anti-state elements from state territory"

        "The creation of direct common borders between Serbia and Montenegro, as well as Serbia and Slovenia by cleansing the Muslim population from Sandžak, and the Muslim and Croat populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina"

        I'm sure there's more hateful garbage on there that's childishly easy to discredit but I don't have the stomach to look at that racist hypocritical fiction too long.
        "They're inviting us to defeat them! We must oblige them!"
        -Baron Munchausen

        "Ah, 'tis midsummer madness, the music is my temples, the hot blood of youth! Come, Kapellmeister, let the violas throb. My regiment leaves at dawn!"
        -Groucho Marx

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Highwayman View Post
          Allow me to give you a tip; don't link to serb fascist hate sites on here, it lowers the quality of this fine forum. That site features
          Well,that site is very old,made some 15 years ago,while the war was still raging,and it was administered by right wing (Chetnik) members.However,comments like your,accusing Serbs being fascist,also ruin the quality of this forum.
          Glina massacre did happened,as the matter of fact,western historians kept that event from being forgotten,as communist regime hide it,in order to calm nationalistic hate.

          *Srebrenica genocide denial bull****.
          Srebrenica did happened also,but Serbs claim that 10.000 killed people is exaggerated number.Moreover it was a reaction on kidnapping,torturing and killings of 371 Serbian civilians on behalf of Naser Oric troops.
          However you should know that 80% of Serbs don't deny Srebrnica.

          *Racak massacre denial bull****.
          Now that is the other story.All victims were KIA OVK soldiers..IIRC Albanian claims about JSO presence is area is false information,only unit present in area was local police unit,escorting group of French reporters (who were even attacked a day before Racak!).You should know that there is no international accusation of war crime for Racak.

          *Articles denying the mass rapes committed by Serb fascists.
          After looking stupid films like Harrison flowers and Behind enemy lines,I completely understand USA population view of Balkans war.(although some don't know even where Bosnia or Vukovar is ). All three sides committed isolated rapings,there is no such thing as ORGANIZED MASS RAPES.

          *Countless links praising the nazi (I mean that literally he served the nazis) draza mihailovic who committed a genocide of his own against Bosniaks and other non-Serbs. Here are quotes from draza's mission statement:

          "The creation of Greater Yugoslavia, and within it Greater Serbia, ethnically clean within the borders of Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Srem, Banat, and Bačka"

          "The cleansing of all national minorities and anti-state elements from state territory"

          "The creation of direct common borders between Serbia and Montenegro, as well as Serbia and Slovenia by cleansing the Muslim population from Sandžak, and the Muslim and Croat populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina"
          Hmm I would like if can give me a reliable source for that?
          I don't want to defend him,but good part of known history about WW2 Chetniks was falsified after the war.That stuff you quoted seem more adapted to Kosta Pecenac,leader of collaborators Chetnik forces.

          I'm sure there's more hateful garbage on there that's childishly easy to discredit but I don't have the stomach to look at that racist hypocritical fiction too long.
          You should learn better a history of wars in 1991-1995 and 1998-1999,and maybe to study WW2 history of Yugoslavia.My advice,it's not all black and white.
          Out of one million of Yugoslav victims in WW2,800.000 were Serbs. 600.000 of them in concentrations camps,mostly Jasenovac,manned by Croat Ustasha.Don't forgot all those SS divisions raised in Jugoslavia,like Handzar and Skanderberg.



          It is said that the first casualty of war is the truth. Of course, today with the appalling spectacle of the civil war in Yugoslavia filling our TV screens and newspapers, this old axiom has taken on an uglier, more sinister meaning. If four years ago we could say that the American public was totally uninformed about the conflict ready to unfold, today we can say with equal justification that Americans are doubly or triply misinformed, and dangerously so, about this tragic and completely unnecessary war.

          And there’s a very good reason why. A malicious campaign of war propaganda, anti-Serb hatred, and just plain lies has flooded the American media. It has been financed and run through public relations firms, non-governmental organizations and human rights groups with the patronage of various governments, all with the single purpose of mobilizing public opinion on the side of the Bosnian Muslims and Croats, and against those "horrible people," the Serbs. The truth, the lives of innocent people, and the real dangers of a wider war are all forsaken; the main thing is to twist or to invent the facts so that they fit in with America’s foreign policy objectives in Bosnia. Every step of the way, the media has acted as a co-belligerent, with the aim of whipping up anti-Serbian sentiment and support for military intervention on the side of the Muslim and Croat forces.

          Many of the stories on the Bosnian conflict that we read about and see on TV are actually fed to the media by public relations firms. Jim Harff, President of Ruder Finn Global Public Affairs, the public relations firm that handles the accounts of Bosnia, Croatia, and the Albanian opposition in Kosovo, argues that modern wars cannot be fought and won today without good public relations work. "In terms of persuading and convincing the UN to take proper measures," says Harff, "it’s even more important." According to U.S. Justice Department records, Bosnia and Croatia pay Ruder Finn more than $10,000 a month plus expenses "to present a positive image to members of Congress, administration officials, and the news media.(1)"

          The amount of covered "expenses" is many times greater than the disclosed fee. Harff is himself an insider in Washington, where he has worked for three different Representatives over the past decade. Because of international economic sanctions imposed on the Serbs by the UN—largely due to false stories in the media—the Serbs, ironically, are barred from hiring a public relations firm.

          The use of public relations firms to manufacture "the news" and shape public opinion is a dangerous phenomenon that threatens the lives and freedom of people around the world. But it is not entirely new. It was used to devastating effect during the Gulf War. John R. MacArthur, publisher of Harpers magazine and author of Second Front, an exposé of media disinformation during the Gulf War, has compared media coverage of the Bosnian conflict to that of the Gulf War.

          Barry Lituchy
          It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.

          Косово је Србија!
          Never go to war with a country whose national holiday celebrates a defeat in 1389.

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          • #6
            Well,that site is very old,made some 15 years ago,while the war was still raging,and it was administered by right wing (Chetnik) members.However,comments like your,accusing Serbs being fascist,also ruin the quality of this forum.
            You fail at literacy just as you fail at basic human decency; nowhere in my post did I call all Serbs fascist. That's a classic chetnik tactic; take a critique of some Serbs as an attack all Serbs, apart from being a pathetic argument it also shows a collectivist tribal mentality.

            Glina massacre did happened,as the matter of fact,western historians kept that event from being forgotten,as communist regime hide it,in order to calm nationalistic hate.
            I didn't claim that it didn't; unlike you I do not support genocide denial, to you only Serbs can be victims.

            Srebrenica did happened also,but Serbs claim that 10.000 killed people is exaggerated number.Moreover it was a reaction on kidnapping,torturing and killings of 371 Serbian civilians on behalf of Naser Oric troops.
            1. Your claim about the number being exagerrated has no basis in fact.

            http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot....rebrenica.html

            2. As for Nasser Oric once again reality gets in the way of your delusional fantasies. He was found not guilty of any direct involvement in the murders of about 5 and mistreatment of another 10 Serbs. Contrast that with over 8,000 Bosniaks who were summarily executed by Serb forces under the command of Serb war crimes fugitives Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic. Naser Oric was also found not guilty for the "wanton destruction" of homes and property. But he was found guilty of failing to control and discipline men under his command. The incidents took place from December 1992 to March 1993 (before Srebrenica became "Safe Heaven"), when Serb forces were ethnically cleansing, torturing, raping, and killing Bosniak population of Eastern Bosnia. One cannot even compare the case of genocide with the individual incidents of war crimes, because Srebrenica Bosniaks were subjected to Genocide, not Serbs. It should also be noted that Naser Oric was not on trial for genocide, nor was he on trial for mass murder of Serb civilians.

            Now that is the other story.All victims were KIA OVK soldiers.
            Even more lies

            After looking stupid films like Harrison flowers and Behind enemy lines,I completely understand USA population view of Balkans war.(although some don't know even where Bosnia or Vukovar is )
            You are a genocide denier, fascist and sexist you're in no position to judge anyone; if my country has earned the hatred of little thugs like you that's just one more reason to be proud of citizenship.

            All three sides committed isolated rapings,there is no such thing as ORGANIZED MASS RAPES.
            Wow I'm now having a massive "have you no decency" moment, it doesn't surprise me that you're willing to deny the suffering of women; fascists such as yourself have always hated women. Organized mass rapes have always been very real (for example the rapes committed by the Japanese forces in WWII) and in the Bosnian war the vast majority of rapes were committed by the Serb side.

            "Women were kept in various detention centres where they had to live in intolerably unhygienic conditions, where they were mistreated in many ways including, for many of them, being raped repeatedly. Serb soldiers or policemen would come to these detention centres, select one or more women, take them out and rape them.[..] All this was done in full view, in complete knowledge and sometimes with the direct involvement of the local authorities, particularly the police forces. The head of Foča police forces, Dragan Gagović, was personally identified as one of the men who came to these detention centres to take women out and rape them."
            – International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia

            "The largest number of reported victims have been Bosnian Muslims, and the largest number of alleged perpetrators have been Bosnian Serbs. There are few reports of rape and sexual assault between members of the same ethnic group."
            - United Nations Commission on Breaches of Geneva Law in Former Yugoslavia

            Hmm I would like if can give me a reliable source for that?
            I don't want to defend him,but good part of known history about WW2 Chetniks was falsified after the war.That stuff you quoted seem more adapted to Kosta Pecenac,leader of collaborators Chetnik forces.
            Of course you don't want to defend him; that must be why you're doing just that. Seconds of googling will show you draza's mission statement, a plan he put into action here are a few examples of chetnik war crimes:

            July 1941, Herzegovina (Bileća, Stolac) - approximately 1,150 civilians killed;
            December 1941/January 1942, eastern Bosnia (Foča, Goražde) - approximately 2,050 civilians killed;
            August 1942, eastern Bosnia and Sandžak (Foča, Bukovica) - approximately 1,000 civilians killed;
            August 1942, eastern Bosnia (Ustikolina, Jahorina) - approximately 2,500 civilians killed;

            As for the idea that draza wasn't a nazi (as if that would change the fact that he committed genocide) only a Serb fascist/nationalist would believe something so absurd.



            "The units that could really be used against the Partisans were Serbian and partly Russian volunteers and - Draža Mihailović's people. My liaison officer with them was a certain Major, Ritterkreuztraeger."
            —General Edmund Glaise von Horstenau, German military attaché in Zagreb

            (Peter Broucek, Ein General in Zwielicht; Errinerungen Edmund Glaises von Horstenau, Wien-Koeln-Graz, 1988; p.421)

            "All Moslem villages in three mentioned locations [municipalities of Pljevlje, Cajnice, and Foca] were burned down, and not even one home remained intact.... During military operations, we engaged in total destruction of Moslem population without regard to their sex or age. Our victims include 22 dead, of which 2 by accident, and 32 wounded. We killed about 1,200 Muslim soldiers and about 8,000 of their women, elderly and children."
            -Chetnik Commander Pavle Djurisic in a message to Draza Mihailovic

            "The Serbian chetniks of Draza Mihailovic were represented as fighters against the occupier, while in fact they were the allies of the Nazi fascists in Yugoslavia....The documents in this collection indicate clearly and unequivocally that the Chetniks collaborated with the occupiers, both in the military and political sphere, as well as in the domain of economic activity, intelligence and propaganda."
            -Serbian scholars, Dr. Jovan Marjanovic & Mihail Stanisic

            While the Serbian Chetniks admited killing 9,200 people in this genocide, the documented killings show close to 20,000 Bosniaks massacred, 98% of them being civilian men, women, children, and elderly. (See: "Srpski zlocini nad Bosnjacima Muslimanima 1941. - 1945." by Semso Tucakovic).



            You should learn better a history of wars in 1991-1995 and 1998-1999,and maybe to study WW2 history of Yugoslavia.My advice,it's not all black and white.
            Hilarious, a genocide denier lecturing me on history.

            Out of one million of Yugoslav victims in WW2,800.000 were Serbs. 600.000 of them in concentrations camps,mostly Jasenovac,manned by Croat Ustasha.Don't forgot all those SS divisions raised in Jugoslavia,like Handzar and Skanderberg.
            I don't deny what occured at Jasenovac however I find it very interesting that you failed to mention Serbian pro-nazi activity such as Ljotic's Serbian Volunteer Corps which became formally part of the SS in 1944 or Serbian involvement in the Holocaust or the fact that Serbs were part of the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen.


            The first experiments in mass executions of camp inmates by poison gas were carried out in Serbia. Serbia was the first country to proudly declare itself "Judenfrei" ("cleansed" of Jews) The long concealed Historical Archives in Belgrade reveal that Banjica, a concentration camp located in Belgrade, was primarily staffed by Serbs.

            "Despite Serbian claims to the contrary, Germans were not alone in killing the Jews of Serbia. The long concealed Historical Archives in Belgrade reveal that Banjica, a concentration camp located in Belgrade, was primarily staffed by Serbs. Funding for the conversion of the former barracks of the Serbian 18th infantry division to a concentration, came from the municipal budget of Belgrade. The camp was divided into German and Serbian sections. From Banjica there survive death lists written entirely in Serbian in the Cyrillic alphabet. At least 23,697 victims passed through the Serbian section of this camp. Many were Jews, including at least 798 children, of whom at least 120 were shot by Serbian guards. The use of mobile gassing vans by Nazis in Serbia for the extermination of Jewish women and children has been well documented. It is less appreciated, however, that a Serbian business firm had contracted with the Gestapo to purchase these same victims cloths, which sometimes contained hidden money or jewelry in the linings. In August 1942, following the virtual liquidation of Serbia's Jews, Nedic's government attempted to claim all Jewish property for the Serbian state. In the same month, Dr. Harald Turner; the chief of the Nazi civil administration of Serbia, boasted that Serbia was the only country in which the "Jewish question" was solved. Turner himself attributed this "success" to Serbian help. Thus, 94 percent of Serbia's 16,000 Jews were exterminated, with the considerable cooperation of the Serbian government, the Serbian Orthodox Church, the Serbian State Guard, the Serbian police and the Serbian public."

            http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot....i-chetnik.html

            As for that quote it shows how detached from reality and sanity you really are Barry Lituchy is a milosevic supporter here is quote he made:

            "When I heard the news that Slobodan Milosevic had died I did not want to believe it. I did not want to believe that evil had triumphed over good, or that the evil that had been done to this brave and beautiful man could have finally killed him... But you can take solace in the fact that Slobo died a martyr's death... He is the most famous and most courageous Serb of our time... As I said before, he lived and died for us and for a better world. I know you are proud of him. I feel the same way."
            -Barry Lituchy

            But in your fact free world you think quoting a scumbag like that proves something; how amusing and sad.
            Last edited by The Highwayman; 16 Jul 10, 22:49.
            "They're inviting us to defeat them! We must oblige them!"
            -Baron Munchausen

            "Ah, 'tis midsummer madness, the music is my temples, the hot blood of youth! Come, Kapellmeister, let the violas throb. My regiment leaves at dawn!"
            -Groucho Marx

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            • #7
              Whoops I just realized I forgot to address the nonsense you spewed about Racak:

              "A final report by forensic experts into the killing of 40 Kosovo Albanians in the village of Racak has failed to rule on whether they were massacred by Serb police.

              But the report does conclude the victims were unarmed civilians.


              Dr Helena Ranta, the forensic expert who led a team carrying out post mortems on the bodies, called the Racak deaths a "crime against humanity".

              The killings provoked international outrage and prompted the latest efforts to secure a peace deal between the warring Serbs and ethnic Albanians.

              The Serb authorities said the Albanians died in clashes after opening fire on police. But locals said they believed that Serb forces were to blame for the deaths.

              Dr Ranta said there were no signs that the victims were anything other than unarmed civilians and that they were most likely shot where they were found.


              Dr Helena Ranta: "They were unarmed civilians"

              She said there was no reason to conclude that the victims were members of the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army or that they were killed accidentally.

              Dr Ranta told a press conference in Pristina, Kosovo's regional capital, said: "This is a crime against humanity."

              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/298131.stm
              "They're inviting us to defeat them! We must oblige them!"
              -Baron Munchausen

              "Ah, 'tis midsummer madness, the music is my temples, the hot blood of youth! Come, Kapellmeister, let the violas throb. My regiment leaves at dawn!"
              -Groucho Marx

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              • #8
                You are a genocide denier, fascist and sexist
                I don't want to spare my time and words on idiots like you.

                I will let moderator to take care of this.
                It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.

                Косово је Србија!
                Never go to war with a country whose national holiday celebrates a defeat in 1389.

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                • #9
                  I doubt the moderator will take issue with me stating fact; you claimed that the Srebrenica genocide was 'exagerrated' which makes you a genocide denier, you posted fascist garbage thus you are a fascist and you denied systemic mass rapes committed by Serb forces which makes you a sexist.
                  Last edited by The Highwayman; 23 Jul 10, 05:32.
                  "They're inviting us to defeat them! We must oblige them!"
                  -Baron Munchausen

                  "Ah, 'tis midsummer madness, the music is my temples, the hot blood of youth! Come, Kapellmeister, let the violas throb. My regiment leaves at dawn!"
                  -Groucho Marx

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