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  • Spanish Civil War

    This war was waged from 1936 to 1938 with Franco's troops winning the war. It was a brutal and deadly campaign. The Russians and the Germans participated actively in this war. Mercenaries from other countries also fought, including Canada. Why were Russia and Germany interested in this civil war? To practice their skills for the upcoming conflict? To show to the other side who was the strongest?
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  • #2
    1. You forgot to mention Italy...

    2. And it is more correct to speak about "voluntaries" not "mercenaries". Voluntaries from many countries fought in the side of Republicans. There were even International Brigades in Spanish Republican Army.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Andrey
      1. You forgot to mention Italy...

      2. And it is more correct to speak about "voluntaries" not "mercenaries". Voluntaries from many countries fought in the side of Republicans. There were even International Brigades in Spanish Republican Army.
      1. You're right I did forget about Italy.

      2. Canada's "volunteer" were called mercenaries over here.
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      • #4
        It's was their version of a 'cold' war proxy fight if you will... fascist right versus communist left to see who had the bigger one... as well as a training ground for new weapons and tactics.
        If voting could really change things, it would be illegal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chrisvalla
          It's was their version of a 'cold' war proxy fight if you will... fascist right versus communist left to see who had the bigger one... as well as a training ground for new weapons and tactics.
          True it was the cold war of the 1930's. The Luftwaffe learned many things about war and tactics in this Civil War with their Condor Legion. One of their best was there Adolf Galland. Plus Hitler saw the world sit back and do nothing about this civil war so that gave him dark ideas.

          BigMik1
          "Cry Havoc!! and let slip the dogs of war!!!"
          -Mark Anthony in Willam Shakespeare "Julius Caesar" (1599)

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          • #6
            There were many other factions involved in the madness in Spain besides the two major parties. There were Monarchists, Philangists, the Basques (who still haven't quit), Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists, Utopians, an alphabet soup of fringe parties, and Anarchists (the real ones, not the snotty twerps who define themselves as anarchists today). I heard a story once about the Anarchists. The details might be wrong but here goes.... The Anarchists won the city of Barcelona(?) after some chaotic street fighting and were then told "OK, you win, now form a local government." They replied "Well, we would but, as Anarchists, we are fundamentally opposed to organized government." (what the....?) Anyway, they decided to set up a system where everyone just traded their goods and services for other goods and services and got rid of money. Yeah, right. Electric and water service soon broke down and the garbage piled up in the streets and then Franco showed up and that was the end of that.

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            • #7
              The U.S. had the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" and the "good guys" were the communists.......
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              • #8
                Jarama, Brunete, Quinto, Belchite, Fuentes de Ebro, Teruel, The Retreats and The Ebro are the battlegrounds of the Spanish Civil War in which over twelve hundred Canadian soldiers supporting Republican Spain took part. These men created the most unique military unit in the history of Canada: the Mackenzie-Papineau Battalion of the XVth International Brigade of the Spanish Republican Army: 'the Mac-Paps.'
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BigMik1
                  True it was the cold war of the 1930's. The Luftwaffe learned many things about war and tactics in this Civil War with their Condor Legion. One of their best was there Adolf Galland. Plus Hitler saw the world sit back and do nothing about this civil war so that gave him dark ideas.

                  BigMik1
                  The ultimate training ground for the Luftwaffe. Pilots were rotated through so as many as possible could get battle experience. Then new aircraft (ie, Bf-109) were rushed to the front to counter aircraft (and pilots) sent by the Soviet Union. It not surprising the Luftwaffe dominated the sky in the early days of WW II, they were far more experienced than the Allies.
                  Lance W.

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                  • #10
                    Spanish Civil War Books

                    Best books on all aspects of the Spanish Civil War are probably the ones by Hugh Thomas (first published in the 1950's it's been updated and republished within the last few years) and the more recent one by Anthony Beevor (you may know his Stalingrad and his Fall of Berlin books, also very good).

                    Either of these would be recommended as a good starting place for anyone wanting to know more about a conflict that has been argued about since it ended. The 'communist' connection to the Spanish Civil War has been so emphasized that, when I first joined the US Army in 1963, they were still having us fill out forms that asked, "Have you ever been a member of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade?"...I think they've stopped doing that by now.
                    J.D. Morelock
                    Editor in Chief
                    Armchair General Magazine

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                    • #11
                      Re: Spanish Civil War Books

                      Originally posted by JD Morelock
                      when I first joined the US Army in 1963, they were still having us fill out forms that asked, "Have you ever been a member of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade?"...I think they've stopped doing that by now.
                      There was an Black veteran of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade named Vaughn Love who also served in WWII, but he was dogged in the US Army because of that. He had to have known the US Army was not going to be too pleased with that.

                      BigMik1
                      "Cry Havoc!! and let slip the dogs of war!!!"
                      -Mark Anthony in Willam Shakespeare "Julius Caesar" (1599)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lance Williams
                        The ultimate training ground for the Luftwaffe. Pilots were rotated through so as many as possible could get battle experience. Then new aircraft (ie, Bf-109) were rushed to the front to counter aircraft (and pilots) sent by the Soviet Union. It not surprising the Luftwaffe dominated the sky in the early days of WW II, they were far more experienced than the Allies.
                        It was a big testing grounds for the Axis powers, but the Germans learned many things.

                        BigMik1
                        "Cry Havoc!! and let slip the dogs of war!!!"
                        -Mark Anthony in Willam Shakespeare "Julius Caesar" (1599)

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                        • #13
                          Good reasons actually- Germany wanted trading partners for the most part- cause by 36 only Italy was somewhat friendly- not even Japan was on board. Adolf wanted another ally naturally- and I guess Stalin wanted some help on the other side as well. Actually Hitler was excited about a possible two front against France with Spain attacking from the South- so much that even when the Civil War ended in early 39 the planes of the condor legion- with 500 kills- were left in Spain as a 'Present'
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lance Williams
                            The U.S. had the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" and the "good guys" were the communists.......
                            "Good guys" of course being a relative term.
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                            • #15
                              "what a splendid little scrap we have here.lets everybody send in all our stuff to see how well it works.spain will never be a bother so theres no worry.this is an oppurtunity that can't be missed"
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